Posted on 12/31/2020 4:56:15 AM PST by EyesOfTX
Let’s kill this horrible rumor dead, shall we? – Listen up: Vice President Pence does not have the power to determine whether or not congress certifies the electoral vote on January 6. He just doesn’t, and no amount of disinformation spread around social media platforms is going to change that immutable fact of life. Patrick Byrne and L. Lin Wood have been spreading that utter and complete nonsense for several days now (see below).
VDO.AI This stuff has also been making the rounds on Facebook and other social media platforms. It is false. It is reprehensibly false, and it is having the effect of impugning Pence’s reputation and creating a potentially dangerous situation for him and his security detail when it becomes obvious on January 6th that none of this is going to happen.
I mean, think about it: If any vice president really had any such authority, would Richard Nixon have become president in 1969? What about John Kennedy in 1961? Both of those men “won” the electoral vote over sitting vice presidents (Nixon in 1960, Humphrey in 1968) by extremely narrow margins, and Kennedy did it amid (true) allegations that the mob had stolen several states for him. If any vice president really had these powers, George W. Bush would have never become president, nor would Donald Trump, for that matter. I mean, if the sitting Veep can control the outcome, why wouldn’t the Democrat Party have simply instructed Biden to do that rather than engage in 4 years of a slow-rolling coup d’etat?
Apply Occam’s Razor here, folks: The clear answer to the questions above is that no vice president actually has any such powers. Period.
Vice President Pence has one role on January 6, and that is to preside over what is almost always a pro forma, uneventful joint session of congress during which the Electoral College results will be approved, normally via a motion for unanimous consent. If one member of the House and one member of the Senate object, however, then the joint session will be dissolved and each house will hold a brief debate before casting a role call vote on the matter.
As I reported late yesterday, the latter will be the case this time, as Missouri Sen. Josh Hawley is defying the will of Mitch McConnell and planning to file an objection, along with about two dozen members of the House. The debate will be for “up to 2 hours,” after which the vote will be held. The positive is that it will force every member of both parties to certify these clearly fraudulent election results by name for posterity. The negative part is that it has no chance whatsoever of changing the outcome.
VP Pence is not going to change that outcome, either, so put that out of your minds right now. Despite the nonsense being spread by Byrne, Wood and others, he simply has no authority whatsoever to do so.
Pence will preside over the joint session, period. That is it, and his role is very restricted while doing so. He has no power to make motions, to participate in any debate that might break out or to participate in the vote. His role is so restricted on that particular day, in fact, that he doesn’t even get to perform his normal duties as President of the Senate in the very unlikely event that a tie vote on the matter should occur.
I am aware that some other “conservative” bloggers who I won’t name are spreading this nonsense in order to attract clicks as well. I could do the same thing and no doubt drive a lot of additional traffic here, but I’m not here to do that, and I’m not going to blow smoke up your skirts. Just know that when you see other websites pushing this nonsense, that is what they are there to do, and if you like being lied to, then by all means continue to click on their stuff. They will no doubt appreciate it.
That is all.
h/t tiger claws
Pence can go either way Jan 6: (A) decide to heed any advice, or, (B) follow his conscience.........
All the final decisions - including control of the Sergeant at Arms for the Senate - are by majority rule.
<><> Republicans control the Senate and the Sergeant at Arms.
<><> Dems can be forced by the Sergeant at Arms to attend the presentation of the evidence of the fraud;
<><> Dems can be kept quiet during the said hearing by the Sergeant at Arms.
REFERENCE https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/generic/People_Parliamentarian.htm
Questions about the Senate? Email a Senate historian at web site.
Pence’s refusal to sign onto Gomert’s lawsuit makes sense in this respect———
<><> Pence already has plenary power,
<><> a court can’t give it to him.
<><> If he signed on to the Gohmert suit it would be declaring he doesn’t already have the power.
<><> The lawsuit could be viewed by Trump’s enemies as a trap to stop Pence.
You have two sets of electors coming from battle ground states. Pence can choose which ones he will accept.
Pence can also put a hail on the counting until a thorough audit is conducted.
Sorry, I can’t believe these bastard democrats are going to get away with this.
If enough people rally on the 6th and if enough GOP legislatures come forward including McConnell, Romney everyone, the right thing will happen.
Dont hold your breath.
On January 6th, the Congressional proceedings NEED to open with objections from the House and Senate to ANY acceptance of electors from states utilizing the Dominion voting systems. Dominion voting systems are a national security threat to the USA
This forces the debate over their integrity to the floor of the Congress and instantly defines the traitors and the patriots in the room
Don’t think I am interested in a writer’s click bait over the opinion of a successful Constitutional lawyer.
Pence should just not show up and not participate. It’s a farce, but he won’t stop it.
If it’s contested then he is the chair and I think presides over the process. But I think has some power. But he can’t just say yeah it was contested so I give the votes to Trump.
Pence is not going to do anything on Jan 6th. That is not how this play ends.
Then we need to start burning it all down, starting with the “Justice” Department.
I can’t disagree with that.
If only Trump had ordered the Dominion machines seized and audited by the military in the 6 counties that cheated.
Hawley could use his 2 hours to turn it over to the military who would show how the cheating took place, and how it was systemic. One or two counties that have shown Dominion cheating is not enough to overturn the election, but the military showing it went on in every swing state would have been powerful.
I will never understand why Trump did not at least try this option.
No. There is one set. The set without certification will not be sent.
Even if Pence has the power to do this, it would set a dangerous precedent. If there is ever a future election where the Republican wins and the sitting VP is a Democrat, they would steal it this way without batting an eye. They would do their usual "Russia Russia Russia!" without any evidence and cite Pence as the justification for doing it.
If he’s saying “I approve” or “I consent” that means he can say “I don’t approve” or “I don’t consent.”
No, Mike Pence Can’t Unilaterally Stop the Electoral Vote Certification>>>>>>
Oh yes he can, by following the Constitutional process whichi will take Congress to the 12th amamendment.
Do NOT confuse process with substantive decision.
Pence certainly has the ability to invoke the process.
Congress makes the decision.
THAT IS NOT PENCE ACTING UNILATERALLY.
It is Pence following the Constitution and its Congress acting unilaterally in a lawful way.
Only one set of Constitutionally and legally appointed electors from the battleground states.
There is only one set of certified electors that will be counted on Jan 6th. These “alternate” electors that you keep reading about were not certified and Pence won’t even see them on Jan 6th. He will only see the certified electors.
Apples and Oranges. In the examples, there were no competing slates of electors.
DB doesn’t address the issue presented. What power does VPOTUS have when faced with competing or contradictory slates?
Or indeed, when Congress has competing slates, does that PER SE create something akin to an objection, an issue that must be resolved. The twelfth amendment just says to count the votes, but what if there are more votes from one state, than there are electors assigned to that state?
I know 3 USCode Chapter 1 purports to resolve this, but it is an instruction from Congress to Congress, and a past Congress cannot bind a present one against its will.
If the US Congress seats Biden in light of the fraud disclosed to the public, it is because a majority of the US Congress wills it so. has nothing to do with what is right, or correct. It is raw power, given to Congress by the people. The people will not take back their power. That ship has long ago sailed.
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