Posted on 11/04/2020 7:40:51 AM PST by grundle
Oregon voters just approved a ballot initiative which decriminalizes personal usage of small amounts of heroin and cocaine.
However, it is still illegal to manufacture, distribute, or sell these drugs on a commercial scale.
Therefore, people who use these drugs will still be getting them from illegal manufacturers, distributors, and sellers.
Which means that the problems of contamination, unknown levels of potency, gangs, drive by shootings, etc., will still be possible.
In order to get rid of these problems, the drugs need to be legalized at all levels of manufacturing, distribution, and sale.
Only then, when the drugs are fully legal, and are manufactured by brand name companies whose reputations are on the line, and whose labels list all of the ingredients, as well as the exact concentration and potency of the drugs, will we be able to see what happens when these drugs are legalized.
As it stands now, with the drugs decriminalized only for personal usage, but still banned for manufacturing, distribution, and sale on a commercial scale, it will be impossible for users to know for certain what exactly is in their drugs, or how strong they are. And in order to buy the drugs, users will still be interacting with criminals.
By legalizing these drugs for personal usage, but continuing with the ban on on commercial scale manufacturing, distribution, and sale, how exactly is this supposed to work?
Face the facts: the war on drugs is a FAILURE.
Legalize it, tax it, and let the dumba$$ users off themselves with it.
Dopeheads could grow their own.
Coca plants and opium poppies are 100% natural.
Make it a drug infested island cut off from food and products from Red America. Starve them to death.
“The CSA is IMO unconstitutional”
Amendment XVIII clearly indicates the federal government previously lacked authority to put Eliot Ness to work.
Oregon: Happy Hunter (Biden) grounds
The area of legality needs to be in the sticks to avoid San Francisco style problems.
They decriminalized female heroes?
This is a temporary problem for Oregon drug addicts, easily remedied in the next election. They will simply make it all legal.
“Frankly, they can do that by using users as a starting point.”
Maybe a good strategy but I don’t want to pay the costs to rehabilitate the addicts. To refer to Mother Teresa again, they must learn from their and their family’s suffering.
Actually, I’m willing for government to help some in these areas.
I disagree.
Before the War on Drugs, people wer able to access heroin, cocaine, and other illicit substances with greater ease than in today’s climate.
The War on Drugs was a success in many ways. When people are turning to under-the-sink chemicals to make drugs like meth, it’s apparent the Border Patrol, Coast Guard, and other related forces were effective in stopping and deterring the powerful systems running cocaine and heroin across our borders.
Yes, stupid people will always crave drugs. But the desperation to consume household chemicals has proven the War on Drugs as successful in many ways.
so will amazon be selling those now?
Do you mean the 21st amendment that repealed the 18th alcohol prohibition?
1.5 trillion wasted, millions in prisons. It’s a success alright for the DEA and DOJ who prey and profit from the millions of Americans whose lives are ruined.
Might I remind you that ODs are at all time highs. That’s because an illicit market is unregulated and the drugs are much more dangerous.
But it’s even worse. The DEA spends an inordinate amount of time and money attacking legal prescriptions. This has had the effect of shitting people to the dangerous illegal market.
It really does appear that DEA is enabling the illicit market for profit and job security. The DEA has been in China for 30 years. It just so happened that fentanyl analogs took off while prescriptions went down. They worked with Chinese narcotics police. So do you think China was helping to reduce fentanyl imports with DEA?
Come on, we know DEA is a secret corrupt organization with little oversight. Either you’re a shill for the police state or you’re brainwashed by them.
The title of the measure is the “Drug Dealers Relief Act of 2020.”
Agreed. We’ve wasted decades and grown massive government bureaucracies to try and combat this this thing like it’s a war. All it’s done is massively erode our civil liberties, burned trillions in taxpayer dollars, and packed our prisons with people who will never qualify for a good job for the rest of their lives even if they clean up their act.
Target the distributors and treat the addicts. It’s cheaper, easier, and less risk to the rest of us that just want to live our lives. If you want to reduce addiction, improve the economy. Very few people with good paying jobs and lives that are going well start hitting the crack pipe. It always starts with a reason, and more often than not that reason is to escape a life that’s going very poorly.
Like I said before, when people are making their drugs from chemicals from bathroom cleaning products, something evidently worked.
....And before you accuse me of being a CIA mole or some other nonsense, take a step back and recognize today’s drug market is considerably driven by people’s desperation to consume....
If it means consuming stuff made from toilet cleaner and battery acid, then their mindless desperation drives it.
What worked in war on drugs? Over a trillion wasted, ODs went up? More in prison?
So those might be good outcomes in your opinion?
And about the conflict with Federal Law.....???
People on drugs are stupid, which is certainly something we can agree on.
The War on Drugs evidently worked in cutting down the supply, hence why people are consuming crap made out of battery acid and toilet cleaner.
Today’s druggies are not only stupid, they are desperate.
Your anger at me over the facts presented changes nothing.
Haven’t you heard of fentanyl analogs? The supply is as big as its ever been. This is primarily what’s causing the rise in ODs. It’s from China and the DEA is probably in on it.
There’s no evidence that the illicit market has shrunk. Your purported anecdotal evidence that reports of druggies use toilet cleaner proves absolutely nothing; it’s not a marker, predictor or indicator of how large the illegal market actually is.
People are dying because the illegal market is so dangerous. The DEA wants it that way.
There are also a lot of suicides in which drugs are used because of the economic situation and covid lockdowns. The war on drugs or DEA wont be able to stop suicides.
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