Posted on 08/10/2020 6:26:51 AM PDT by grey_whiskers
Who advocates the Russian control over Lithuania?
I don’t. It is you who are pushing Polish empire including Lithuania.
As for Russia falling apart your type is repeating this mantra for 400 years.
How many times your country fell apart but Russia is still there.
Generations of Polish ‘patriots’ engaged in landscaping in Siberia as a result.
They mostly made fertilizer as a bear poop and the roads are reinforced with their bones.
If you are going to push it further you have continue with your ‘conquest of Moscow’ and be a part of the trend.
Or you might stop pushing myths and live a normal life. This arrogance is extremely ridiculous.
Muscowites with irredentist views who want to recreate the Soviet Empire
Don't project your Muscowite aims on me - Russia still wants to dominate Central and Eastern Europe
As for Russia falling apart - it did after Ivan the Terrible. Generations of Polish ‘patriots’ engaged in landscaping in Siberia as a result. They mostly made fertilizer as a bear poop and the roads are reinforced with their bones. -- aha - the Muscowite comes out - let's murder anyone who stands in the way of geocentricism. Alexander Dugin - your mentor - fails
“” “” Don’t project your Muscowite aims on me - Russia still wants to dominate Central and Eastern Europe””” “
LOL. That’s a unique case of lack of intellectual integrity.
Read your post #53 and you stated otherwise.
The thing I find the most amusing is that Russia didn’t do a thing anti-Polish since 1989 and such a hatred as a result.
Not only hatred but actual economic and political warfare.
It seems like Churchill was right about your country.
Although it is not smart on your part to think you can win.
“The Soviets didn’t want that land - as Finland was wasteland.”
This is fun guys. I facilitate Russian history classes mostly 20th century but working on classes on THE GREAT GAME, CRIMEAN WAR, & CHERNOBYL.
Finland is interesting. It was more like the tsars’ backyard than a Russian territory and had less restrictions depending on the tsar. They declared independence on 06DEC1917 and Lenin let them go. There were too many other immediate problems.
There was followed by a 3 month Finnish Civil War which killed around 39000 people mostly reds. The Bolsheviks did little to support the reds.
They stopped the Red Army cold in 1939 where the utter incompetence of the Soviet high command was exposed. They surrendered in March 1940 because they ran out of everything; guns, ammo, people. And the West just talked a lot but did little.
The Soviets realized they could control the government and thus did not need to occupy the entire country. Hence the term Finlandiazation.
Sorry for being verbose. I have a whole shelf on Finland and another whole shelf on the Russian Civil War. I find all this fascinating.
Calling Lenin a German spy might be a bit of a stretch but he was definitely supported by the Germans. They bought him a printing press to use in Petrograd.
After Brest Litovsk the Bolsheviks were threatened from all sides but it was uncoordinated. By the end in 1920 the Baltic states and Besserabia were free as were lots of country formed from the Austrian empire. Interestingly every new country including Germany started territory fights on their borders. Everyone wanted to revive their old empires which is why it is called the Blodlands.
In 1940 while the Germans were smashing France, which was suppose to turn into another ww1, the Soviets took the Baltic states and Besserabia/Moldava. Given this put Ploesti a 2 days march by tanks from the new border and given 60+% of German oil came from there Hitler started planning Barbarossa.
While most of that you have wrote is true I don’t like the term Finlandization. USSR didn’t control the government. It was an independent country with its own way of life unrelated to the Soviet. They were trusted to run their government by themselves.
The difference with Poland is that it never engaged in an aggressive war against Russia. Even Stalin realized why Finland allied with Germany.
Poland at the same time was an imperial power. It signed a pact with Hitler similar to Molotov-Ribentrop in 1934. It has attacked Czechoslovakia with the Nazis. It thought an aggressive was to carve itself an empire after the Bolshevik revolution. It was engaged in prometheism program to inflict division within the Russian Empire being one of the factors of Communist takeover.
The ugliest thing is it uses EU now to continue this dirty business nowadays. What is their beef with modern Russia is hard to imagine. Probably penis-envy again. There is a great number of great Polish people but these dim-wit warmongering nationalists spoiling it big time. Also they are dreaming to hit above their wait, regularly get their butts handed to them and then cry victim. That is simply disgusting.
Nah, it’s a case of reality - your President Putin dreams of a renewed Russian empire - or even a Soviet one.
however the reality is that that Geostrategy dream is due to die with Putin when the oligarchs set themselves up separately.
“Russia didn’t do a thing anti-Polish since 1989” — a nice arbitrary date.
However, let’s look at what’s been there since 1989?
1. Lately putin denying the Russians murdering prisoners of war at Katyn
2. Putin trying to deny that Russia tied up with Nazi Germany in 1939
3. Russia putting a ban on Polish products in 2015 after the Russian invasion of Eastern Ukraine
“actual economic and political warfare” — you Moscwites are projecting. It’s the Russian salami tactic of economic and political warfare.
“can win” — just have to sit out while Moscow’s geostrategy implodes due to it’s massive Gini coefficient and reign of the Oligarchs around Putin. Putin dead = bye bye Russia
no, you’re not verbose.
“Lenin let them go” - Lenin had no option - in fact the Bolsheviks signed the Brest-Litovsk treaty and that’s why they could keep their October revolution against the Mensheviks
Finland, after Russia grabbed it from Sweden, was a crown territory. But very little actual usage - besides keeping St. Petersburg safe.
well it's called the Blood lands because that's where WWI and WWII were mainly fought on and people murdered. Not because of the post WWI land grab. It wasn't so much about empire building as in Until the mid-1800s nation states weren't a big deal in the East. There was no forced Germanization or Russification etc. until after the 1830s. Before the 1830s you had forced Franconization where Occitan was near replaced by the Parisian dialect. Similarly forced Anglicization with Gaelic and Welshe severely destroyed. But after Tsar Nicholas I you have forced Russification and the "awakening of the nations" But the problem with the "awakening of a nation" is that - let's take the territory of Romania - for nearly a millenia you had Vlachs, Magyar, Turks, Germans (Saxons mostly), Jews, Armenians, Slavs etc. all over the place. Or take Poland around "Sanok" - you had in the same town, Lemkos, Boykos, Górale Poles, lowland Poles, Germans, Jews and Armenians. Whose "land" was it? Truly speaking it was everyone's, but that's not a way to create a nation state. Hence the land grab by everyone. The anti-semitism really triggered off in this period as the Jews didn't have any land of theirs since millenia - except for Israel now under Ottoman rule. But in Russia, after they grabbed most of the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth, they suddenly got a chunk of Jews - earlier Jews were practically non-existent in Muscowy. They decided to keep them in the Pale of Settlement and carry out their little pogroms every now and then to keep them cowed.
As to hitler’s barbarossa - I believe he had always had that in mind - Naziism was the racist-nationalist socialism that was in opposition to the Bolshevik socialism. There WOULD be a fight to the death
Nah - this post is about how Poland kicked Russian butt in 1920 and then you started the entire caterwauling in psot 22 posting what you were taught at school in Moscow - which was/is false.
“” “” ah - this post is about how Poland kicked Russian butt in 1920 and then you started the entire caterwauling in psot 22 posting what you were taught at school in Moscow - which was/is false.”” “”
Hmmm. Do you mean Katyn and 1939 was justified? Payback is you know what.
And it seems like yours didn’t have enough.
“” “” Putin dead = bye bye Russia””” “
Dream on. Yours are first to go. But if not for your warmongering buffonery he’d be out a decade ago.
Although I promize if the number of sable teethed sheeple would reach the critical mass in your country you guys are making fertilizer again.
I understand that these Polish jokes aren’t implying intellectual integrity but you don’t need even 70 IQ to learn basic lessons from history.
There are also penis enlargement surgery available in our times. Try it if you are envious.
I understand it is a rhetorical question but once again, what is your beef with Russia after 1989?
You were let go peacefully in 1919 and 1989. The first time you immediately took weapons and attacked. The second time you are running propaganda, economic warfare and make shelter for Islamic extremists.
Do you expect mercy on the third time?
Nope, I mean you Russians murdered people in 1939 in Katyn.
That’s after the murder of ukrainians in Holodomor.
No wonder the Moscowite empire is crumbling piece by piece
you Moscowites really have a persecution coupled with superiority complex, dontcha?
Let's see - Putin wants to wash off the blame for Russia starting world war II allied with the Nazis - that's the latest case of Russian penis envy.
Don't worry - once the beloved leader is gone, expect a breakup of the RSFSR
“”” beef with Russia after 1989?
you Moscowites really have a persecution coupled with superiority complex, dontcha?”” “
Is it the answer? Sorry, no cigar.
” “” Let’s see - Putin wants to wash off the blame for Russia starting world war II allied with the Nazis - that’s the latest case of Russian penis envy.”” “”
I think we used to discuss this Polish joke too. It is supposed to convince the people who believe that the Earth is flat.
When I asked you to explain the Polish-Hitler’s Pact of 1934 and the Polish-German annexation of Czechoslovakia of 1938 you resorted to insults.
Poland uber alles?
I have no idea how is it related to tiny penises of Polish nationalists though.
“” “” Don’t worry - once the beloved leader is gone, expect a breakup of the RSFSR””” “
Nope, a little stinky bug trying to bite a lion is first to go.
Are you Polish at all? Or maybe you are a troll inflaming on part of noble Polish people to make them look bad?
No need for a cigar Dmitry - you Muscowites can’t afford it as your oligarchs are hogging the money.
Ah, the Russian joke “let’s kill as many people as possible and then blame everybody else.”
“a little stinky bug trying to bite a lion is first to go.” — don’t fool yourself, Moscow’s army is about good enough to take on ragheads, that’s it
you really expose yourself as a Moscowite schooled troll
You Russians are falsely taught that you "liberated" Eastern Europe, that Poland allied with the Nazis and that up is down and left is right.
Didn't your teachers teach you about the Russian pact with the Nazis?
Well, tough luck, this is the end result in 20 years time
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and what you guys did in Ukraine
that's just another one of many many reasons why the RFSR is collapsing
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