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Ahmaud Arbery Update - Has My Position Changed? [Colin Noir]
Youtube ^ | May 12, 2020 | Colin Noir

Posted on 05/12/2020 6:50:22 PM PDT by Widget Jr

Since this video's release I’ve been hounded by comments telling me to take my video down, that I should have waited for the facts, I'm a race-baiter, I look stupid, he broke the law, etc, etc, etc.

So, since the release of this video have my opinions changed?

Well, let’s find out.


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: ahmaud; arbery; mcmasters; murder; notajoggerbutafelon
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Here is something that no one seems to be considering.

When you belligerently chase someone down with a gun, you can’t claim self defense, since you initiated it.


21 posted on 05/12/2020 8:38:04 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Jeez Louise Nick, do I have to do everything? He went for them! The ‘jogger’ knew the police were coming , he could have sat down and waited, but then he would have been picked up for breaking his parole. He went for it. Bad optics but self defence under the law.


22 posted on 05/12/2020 8:38:29 PM PDT by SandwicheGuy (*The butter acts as a lubricant and speeds up the CPU)
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To: nickcarraway

Nick, you are on the wrong side of this argument. Do a reset, use only facts, logic, and the law IN THAT STATE, and I assure you we will be in agreement.


23 posted on 05/12/2020 8:42:53 PM PDT by SandwicheGuy (*The butter acts as a lubricant and speeds up the CPU)
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To: SandwicheGuy
Never attempt to take a man’s gun, it become self defense immediately.

If you're pointing a gun at me, I'm going to assume you intend to use it, and if I think I can do it, I will attempt to disarm you. That's certainly self-defense - on my part. People who pull guns on some guy jogging by and trying to detain him are not in a position to claim self-defense.
24 posted on 05/12/2020 8:45:14 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: nickcarraway
He ran up to, not away from the person holding the gun and grabbed the barrel.

The consequences were predictable.

25 posted on 05/12/2020 8:51:00 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Leave it to me to be holdin' the matches when the fire truck shows up & there's nobody else to blame)
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To: SandwicheGuy
No, the victim was the one who was acting in self defense. The father and son have no grounds to claim self defense, since they initiated the contact. Once the pulled up to him in their truck and brandished their weapons, they lost any assertion of self defense.

The jogger did not know the police were coming. If two thugs in a truck accosted you, how would you know the police were coming? Certainly they wouldn't be in time to save your life.

26 posted on 05/12/2020 8:51:40 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: SandwicheGuy
No, sorry, you are the one unaware of the law. I have no idea why would defend this dirtbag.

By the way, the police are not stupid. When they have someone caught in this many lies, and changing their story this many times, they know somethings up.

And, by the way, the police have already been investigating the connection between the victim and the killer. There was some connection from the past. So, they know what the motive is.

27 posted on 05/12/2020 8:55:13 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: SandwicheGuy

The law in Georgia allows for citizen’s arrest if they witnessed the commission of a crime. I’ve read nothing to indicate that the shooters caught the victim in the act of committing a crime. Even if the victim had been stealing from construction sites (and the shooters had no way to know this), it would be a misdemeanor - and Georgia law requires the commission of a felony for citizens to detain anyone.


28 posted on 05/12/2020 8:55:23 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: AnotherUnixGeek; SandwicheGuy
If you're pointing a gun at me, I'm going to assume you intend to use it, and if I think I can do it, I will attempt to disarm you. That's certainly self-defense - on my part. People who pull guns on some guy jogging by and trying to detain him are not in a position to claim self-defense.

Bingo

29 posted on 05/12/2020 8:56:09 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
The car pulled up to him. The car followed him. The two thugs pointed their gun at him.

In the U.S. we still have the right to defend ourselves.

30 posted on 05/12/2020 8:57:22 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: AnotherUnixGeek; SandwicheGuy
The citizen's arrest law in Georgia is mostly meant for shopkeepers, It's not meant for a member of the public to chase down an alleged criminal with weapons and attempt to detain them in flight.

At the original scene of the crime the father and son made no mention of seeing any crime. They just forgot?

Also, when the victim was on the construction site, he wouldn't have been committing trespass unless he was asked to leave. Plus, this father and son didn't know the owner, so they had no way of knowing if the victim had permission from the owners.

31 posted on 05/12/2020 9:02:19 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: SandwicheGuy
"Never attempt to take a man’s gun, it become self defense immediately."

If you're walking, or jogging, or trotting down the street and as you pass a parked truck a stranger pointing a gun at you or even holding a gun surprises you.

What assumptions do you make in that split second?

Do you assume he's a good guy with a gun?

Do you feel threatened?

Do you reasonably believe your life my be in danger because a stranger with a gun is standing in front of you?

How would you react in that split second?

Would you stand there waiting for the stranger with the gun to make a move?

Would you act to defend yourself by removing the threat by trying to take the gun from the stranger?

32 posted on 05/12/2020 9:03:05 PM PDT by yesthatjallen
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To: SandwicheGuy

It’s a fact that the District Attorney prevented the police from arresting the killers for two months. It’s a fact that he was forced to recuse himself because he was friends with the killers. Do you deny that?


33 posted on 05/12/2020 9:03:54 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

I expect a courteous apology from you once the passion had abated and the truth comes out. Why? Because you are a nice guy. You somehow landed on the wrong side of this discussion. G’nite


34 posted on 05/12/2020 9:08:09 PM PDT by SandwicheGuy (*The butter acts as a lubricant and speeds up the CPU)
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To: SandwicheGuy

Fair enough. If I was wrong I will apoligize.


35 posted on 05/12/2020 9:08:54 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: yesthatjallen

Straw man logic. Piss off.


36 posted on 05/12/2020 9:10:00 PM PDT by SandwicheGuy (*The butter acts as a lubricant and speeds up the CPU)
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To: SandwicheGuy; yesthatjallen
I'd still like to hear your answers to yesthatjallen in #32.

And what law you think gives someone the right to chase me, or anyone, with a gun and threaten me.

37 posted on 05/12/2020 9:13:00 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: SandwicheGuy
If Travis McMaster was not justified in getting out of his truck witha shotgun, then Arbery had the right of self defense under Georgia law. Just because the McMasters suspected him of burglary, does not automatically make that suspicion valid under the law. Colin does cover that depending on the actual circumstances, Arbery could have had the legal right to defend himself.
38 posted on 05/12/2020 9:19:41 PM PDT by Widget Jr
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
Sorry didn't read as well as I thought LOL and posted too soon. Ahmaud Arbery shot three times, twice to the chest, autopsy results revealed. You do have a point on Arbery accidentally shoothing himself perhaps once. Except Travis fired three shots, hitting him twice.
39 posted on 05/12/2020 9:25:58 PM PDT by Widget Jr
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Yep, he also ran UP TO the truck from behind, not away from it. I am astonished by some of the comments on here.


40 posted on 05/12/2020 9:35:02 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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