Posted on 04/25/2020 7:30:22 AM PDT by USA Conservative
As we reported earlier this month only nine states in America that are not under stay-at-home orders by their governors.
Utah, Wyoming, North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Iowa, Oklahoma, Arkansas,, and South Carolina are now the only states where residents are not under orders to only leave their homes for “essential” purposes.
“The contrast is the starkest in five states — Arkansas, Iowa, Nebraska, North Dakota,, and South Dakota — where there are no such orders in place, either in major cities or statewide. Another four had partial restrictions issued locally in certain cities or counties,” the New York Times reports.
Is this the right thing to do at this moment? Well, the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons thinks that this is the best thing we can do at the moment.
The only way to effectively combat the disease from a practical standpoint (other than herd immunity) is to shield those at high risk until the virus has run its course through the country. Patients with significant underlying health conditions (cancer, lung disease, immune deficiency disorders) and those over the age of 65 should isolate themselves to the best of their abilities – the Association Of America Physician and Surgeons reported.
Everything that was done so far will only damage our economy and on ER doctor confirmed that the lockdown is not needed.
Before COVID-19 was even detected in the United States, Dan Erickson, a former emergency room physician who now co-owns Accelerated Urgent Care in Bakersfield, bought as many tests for the virus as he could. He knew it would be here eventually and wanted to be ready to test those who needed and wanted it.
Now, after testing thousands of people, he and his business partner, physician Artin Massihi, say they have enough data to draw some conclusions about COVID-19.
Their message: COVID-19 is more ubiquitous and less deadly than we think. It’s similar to influenza and we should therefore reopen society and stop treating the situation like the lethal menace it was initially thought to be.
“Two months ago we didn’t know this so I’m bringing it to light now,” Erickson said Wednesday at a news conference held at his Coffee Road urgent care.
Kern County Public Health Services Spokeswoman Michelle Corson and an epidemiologist contacted by The Californian said they didn’t agree with the doctors’ recommendation to end social distancing and immediately start reopening society.
“This is a many-headed hydra. It’s really unfortunate to boil this all down to it’s just flu,” said Andrew Noymer, associate professor of public health at UC Irvine. “There’s no flu season that looks anything like New York does right now.”
‘Similar to flu’
Accelerated urgent care has done 5,213 COVID-19 tests at its five Bakersfield locations, Erickson said — which is more than half the 9,197 tests done so far in Kern County. Of those, 340 were positive, according to Erickson.
If that percentage of positive cases were assumed to represent the entire population of Kern County, which is roughly 900,000, it would mean about 58,000 people in Kern have had the virus, far more than the nearly 700 official confirmed, Erickson said.
That many cases would “indicate there is a widespread (COVID-19) infection, similar to flu,” Erickson said.
And if we don’t shut down the country for flu, should we keep doing it for coronavirus?
“It’s about looking at trends and saying we’re not seeing what they’ve been talking about for the past six to eight weeks,” said Massihi, referring to predictions that up to 100,000 Americans could die of the virus and hospitals would become swamped with patients. “We’ve crippled the economy. There’s a lot of domestic issues going on. Is social isolation warranted for the healthy?”
Using the same calculation, Erickson estimates 12 percent of the population statewide, or some 4.7 million Californians, have already had COVID-19. With about 1,400 deaths so far in California, that puts the statewide death rate at about .03 percent, he said.
“Does that (low death rate) necessitate sheltering in place? Does that necessitate shutting down medical systems? Does that necessitate being out of work?” Erickson asked.
Nationwide, about 42,000 people have died of coronavirus as of Wednesday. Between 30,000 and 60,000 die of flu annually, Erickson said, citing CDC data.
The secondary effects of the shutdown are considerable, too, he said. They include a dramatic decrease in volumes at hospitals and even Erickson’s urgent care practice, where staff are mostly testing patients for COVID-19 these days. “If you’re going to dance on someone’s constitutional rights you better have a good reason, you better have a really good reason, not just a theory,” he said. “The data is showing us it’s time to lift (the stay-at-home orders) so if we don’t lift, what is the reason?” Video below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNTHuCOjAy8&feature=emb_title In case YouTube decides to remove the video we have a Twitter link of the video: https://twitter.com/EM_KA_17/status/1254020264591011841/video/1
If this government-ordered shutdown continues for much more than another week or two, the human cost of job losses and bankruptcies will exceed what most Americans imagine. This won’t be popular to read in some quarters, but federal and state officials need to start adjusting their anti-virus strategy now to avoid an economic recession that will dwarf the harm from 2008-2009.
Much of the world economy has shuddered to a halt. In the United States alone, a record number of people filed for unemployment benefits in late March and this month. President Donald Trump once mused about lifting pandemic restrictions by mid-April to prevent more economic damage, but ultimately settled on extending federal advice to maintain physical distancing through the end of April.
Trump’s decision, however, has only put off the question of when, exactly, cities and states should begin to ease up on distancing orders. “If you keep the shutdown going for 2 months more than we need to, that’s just an unbelievably costly mistake. What do you think? Scroll down to leave a comment below.
Trump should have gone with his instincts and kept America open, with some adjustments. Kemp is now an”enemy”, but the cure has already become worse than the disease, by a factor of ten.
Wherein you replied, talk to is when this is all over. The doctor in this video said, is the flu less deadly, and he responded no. 8>)
26 million unemployed based on the BS charts Deborah and Fauci put in front of Trump yet they have lost no credibility with Trump. No overrun hospitals, a mortality rate below 1%, a destroyed economy, the rats pushing mail voting and it’s still “what do you think Deborah?”.
This is Dr. Dan Erickson who operates a series of Urgent care and ER facilities in California. This press conference is worth your time. Here are some viewing options depending on how much time you have:
Two minute news clip on Dr. Erickson’s statements:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNTHuCOjAy8
25 Minute Condensed Highlights of Statements:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeTYvJSd5lM
Full press conference 1:08:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZV0PFzcI9RE
And then the same Dr. Erickson a month ago as things were ramping up and he was initially supportive of the measures, back THEN:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPNonPDFU7o
Follow the science they say. This man appears to be doing just that and he is no longer supportive of Fauci’s approach to managing Covid-19. Great information!
Here’s a thought for ya:
If all the anti-viral measures are so effective on COVID-19 then why is the flu still spreading and killing??
Translation for those of you in Riolinda: "it's just the Flu Bro..."
I have heard emergency room traffic is down 50%. A friend is an emergency room nurse at a large county hospital here, and she confirms same. So much so - they are looking at laying off nurses and staff!!
I asked: "How could there be a decline in heart attacks, car accidents, slips and falls, etc…?" She said a lot of emergency room visits in their place were never necessary in the first place.
Re: “There’s no flu season that looks anything like New York does right now.”
Only because the CDC changed the rules for counting COVID-19 fatalities.
If the CDC counted influenza deaths the same way they count COVID-19 deaths, influenza would be more deadly than COVID-19.
Trump’s judgment has been disastrously poor.
Actually, it is even less impressive than the flu.
COVID-19 is caused by the SARS-2 coronavirus, which is part of an entire family of coronaviruses that cause the Common Cold.
“It's just a cold, Bro!”
Yes, it can kill you, but it is no more deadly than a serious case of influenza.
Emergency rooms here are used like doctor’s offices and they are always packed. Got a sniffle? Emergency room. Last time I was in one (wound up there by mistake because it used to have an urgent care attached) I looked around and maybe 3 people actually should have been there. But there was nowhere to sit. They were hitting the vending machines and running in and out smoking. I left. A few days later someone from the hospital called me and asked why. I told him I didn’t realize they had closed the urgent care section and was there 1/2 hour without even being called while standing up puking in a bag the security guy handed me. So I left and went down the road to the urgent care where I was in and out in about 45 minutes. He said...yeah, it’s always like that.
I think the doom doctors are still viewing the pandemic as something that can/will overwhelm hospitals. In other words, they are admitting the modeling was wrong, but they are still basing the lockdown decision on....... the same models.
Here is what we know at this point with a high degree of certainty.
If you are not over 60 years of age, you are not obese, you are not diabetic, and you do not have other underlying health conditions you are no more likely to die of Wuhan flu than you are from seasonal influenza. There is even less risks to children and young adults.
Are there exceptions to this rule? Sure.
However, unless we remain in isolation for another month and completely destroy our economy we are going to face this problem no matter what because we have to get back to work. We can face it now or face it then, but we will face it so what is the benefit of continuing a one-size fits all self-isolation?
I suspect at this point that Trump is waiting until much more testing is available and we have another two weeks of data on potential treatment regimes for the most severe cases. There have been a lot of stories about treatment successes in the news if you can wade through the media hysteria and politicization of the virus. However, at some point we are going to face it. I will be exposed and it is likely you will be also unless you stay closed up in your house.
I am ready to get it over with and statistically I like my chances. I am worried about my parents and our last remaining grandparent. They need to stay as isolated as possible for another month or two until we learn more about this.
A lot of people on public assistance use the ER as their PCP.
When they get a sore throat or cold and want to see a dr, they call 911, get a free (for them) ambulance ride and ER visit.
Taxpayers are paying for this.
This was common practice in a welfare town we lived in and the ER nurses verified it.
Trump’s judgment has been disastrously poor.”
It has, lord knows we don’t want to admit but it has. He did a masterful pivot when he saw MSM was going to crucify with this by getting the briefings rolling and subsequent actions. That was then, now he seems to be smitten with Deborah despite the fact that she and Dr Doom feed him a bunch of BS that was the basis for destroying the economy and putting re-elect into serious doubt.
A Freeper posted a version of this same video Thursday evening, but it is well worth a few reposts by other Freepers.
The one posted Thursday was only a 20 minute YouTube video that showed about 12 minutes of the doctors’ presentation which was paused at various points for the YouTuber’s editorializations, which were themselves good.
But this YouTuber had links to the full press conference the doctors held.
I was only going to watch the 20 minute video but found it so good that I stayed up late and watched the full press conference.
I had a relative watch it the next day. She was so impressed she emailed it to the chicken littles in her life.
We heard the same things he was being told by the doom doctors. I don’t see that he had much choice other than to make the decisions he did at the outset.
Now that we know much more about this thing as I wrote above, it is time to allow the majority of our nation out of their houses and let’s get back to work. There will be no “perfect time” to lift the order because the calculations have to be based on what risk category you are in and a one-size fits all approach is going to fail.
If they continue to treat a healthy 30 year old with no risk factors the same as an 80 year old diabetic then Trump will deserve the criticism that will likely result from this with 20/20 hindsight.
I have to think behind the scenes they are trying to assess our ability to treat severe cases and our ability to test for the virus. Those two things are critical along with isolation of those most vulnerable.
Well stated, Gibson guy and volunbeer.
He is a germophobe and they plaid on that to scam him. He surrounds himself with all kinds as a means of instinctively gauging decisions in a feminine ways , which is not irrational at all, but if he does not discern well he will get scammed.
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