Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Is The Coronavirus Saving Lives? Overall deaths in the U.S. are actually lower over the last few months than they have been in recent years
Powerline ^ | 04/23/2020 | John Hinderaker

Posted on 04/23/2020 8:34:15 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-28 next last

1 posted on 04/23/2020 8:34:15 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

That’s an average number. Do we have the range? That would be more relevant?


2 posted on 04/23/2020 8:35:26 PM PDT by nickcarraway
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind
Low fatality rates for 2020 are, at this point, a mystery.

I believe a very large number of deaths each year are caused by medical malpractice. Currently, most people are staying away from their doctors. Resulting in fewer deaths.

3 posted on 04/23/2020 8:39:14 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (If White Privilege is real, why did Elizabeth Warren lie about being an Indian?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: All

Well, you require people to stay in their houses, of course death rates are going to drop....

Until they go crazy from ‘cabin fever’ and start killing each other... Or start starving to death because they can’t get food.


4 posted on 04/23/2020 8:43:48 PM PDT by LegendHasIt
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

Death rates are low right now and the CV deaths are overstated...but there is a disclaimer I found that numbers less than 8 weeks old might get revised up slightly. So the impact on overall death rates of CV can’t officially be nailed down for a month or two.


5 posted on 04/23/2020 8:43:48 PM PDT by impimp
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ClearCase_guy

RE: I believe a very large number of deaths each year are caused by medical malpractice. Currently, most people are staying away from their doctors.

Are you saying that our doctors are mostly useless and kill more people than save lives?


6 posted on 04/23/2020 8:44:39 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (look at Michigan, it will)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: ClearCase_guy

People are avoiding hospitals so they are not having fatal complications of surgeries, drug reactions, blood clots, too.


7 posted on 04/23/2020 8:48:12 PM PDT by GnuThere
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: ClearCase_guy
“I believe a very large number of deaths each year are caused by medical malpractice. Currently, most people are staying away from their doctors. Resulting in fewer deaths.”

Doesn't have to be malpractice. There are risks involved in all procedures, and if you decrease the number of those procedures you will have a decrease in short-term death. Plus, there are fewer people on the roads (less traffic deaths). People are also being more vigilant about symptoms, and the social isolation is probably also decreasing the incidence of other infectious diseases. There are likely several other contributors. Of course, malpractice does happen.

8 posted on 04/23/2020 8:50:48 PM PDT by neverevergiveup
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

Medical errors is the third largest cause of death in a typical year. Estimates range from 250,000 to almost 500,000.


9 posted on 04/23/2020 8:55:13 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (If White Privilege is real, why did Elizabeth Warren lie about being an Indian?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: ClearCase_guy

I dropped out of nursing school because I could never live with the thought that I hurt someone in the course of doing my job. Yet we have doctors killing thousands of people every year with foolish mistakes and nothing ever happens.


10 posted on 04/23/2020 8:57:58 PM PDT by LukeL
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

Something is fishy here. The article cites the ability to compare the mortality rates of the first 14 weeks of 2019 with the first 14 weeks of 2020. The linked spreadsheet doesn’t provide that information. What gives?


11 posted on 04/23/2020 9:30:33 PM PDT by Antoninus (The press has lost the ability to persuade. They retain the ability to foment a panic.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind
How can this be? Some have suggested that the fact that most of us are staying home has reduced the number of traffic fatalities, on-the-job accidents, and perhaps other causes of death. --------

Shame he only explored a few options, and not really cumulatively.

That said, I pointed out as the lockdown began that this was a plausible result - for there to end up being a net lower number of deaths, as has happened to US soldiers in war since the end of WWII. This is mostly due to young men not living in towns where teenagers and young men drive and drink and do openly dumb stuff.

Another of the list should be medical care, which when surgeries and other high risk treatments take place result in a lot of deaths. Slowing their pace for a while would be expected to cause a slowing of deaths in the very short term - which is what we are talking about.

12 posted on 04/23/2020 10:02:00 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: impimp

Death rates are low right now and the CV deaths are overstated...


Probably, even with the recent revisions, still understated at least slightly.

NYC puts the lie in the light when you saw an average daily death rate of 150 rise to over 400 for this whole month, with a week of 700 or so. No way to overstate that in numbers that adjust the analysis.


13 posted on 04/23/2020 10:05:23 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: ClearCase_guy

I believe a very large number of deaths each year are caused by medical malpractice. Currently, most people are staying away from their doctors. Resulting in fewer deaths.


I think the first time I saw studies reporting over 100,000 per year was in the 1990s. Short term risk, vs longer term net benefit.


14 posted on 04/23/2020 10:06:54 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

Deaths from all causes, (latest data was from 4/17 is 582,565), and that is 92% expected.

There are some notable shifts as deaths from pneumonia is actually decreasing while Covid pneumonia deaths are increasing.

Some of that may be to hospitals merging the codes for deaths toward Covid as they get more funding for that. Doc told me that where they had a different code for death by pneumonia they were told to “blur” that into the Covid code-that is how NY “found” over 2,000 new deaths in one day.

Covid gets you $s, flu and pneumonia does not.


15 posted on 04/23/2020 10:11:34 PM PDT by TECTopcat (e)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

Yes. Everyone back to work, to restaurants, bars and malls.


16 posted on 04/23/2020 10:13:33 PM PDT by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: GnuThere
People are avoiding hospitals so they are not having fatal complications of surgeries, drug reactions, blood clots, too.

Or they just die at home and get counted as COVID deaths.

17 posted on 04/23/2020 10:19:24 PM PDT by Shethink13 (there are 0 electoral votes in the state of denial)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

Might have to wait a while to calculate that. We’ll have to see how many people who would have seen doctors about cancers, heart problems, diabetes and other serious conditions but didn’t because hospitals and clinics are turning away anyone who isn’t on death’s doorstep right now die later due to lack of timely care and diagnosis.

When (if) hospitals and clinics get back to normal they will have quite a backlog of patients to see.


18 posted on 04/23/2020 10:28:07 PM PDT by TigersEye (MAGA - 16 more years! - KAG)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

The hospital ER I work in NJ has been seeing less and less of this in the last two weeks.


19 posted on 04/23/2020 10:29:40 PM PDT by jmacusa (If we're all equal how is diversity our strength?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

Historians will look at this like the witch trials of Europe


20 posted on 04/23/2020 11:01:15 PM PDT by genghis
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-28 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson