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Princeton Students Petition for Changing Grading System to Pass/Fail for Spring 2020
Legal Insurrection ^ | March 19, 2020 | Mike LaChance

Posted on 03/20/2020 4:11:05 PM PDT by CheshireTheCat

Normally, I would disagree with this. But given the drastic changes in such a short period of time, these students may have a point.

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I second LaChance's motion. It would be difficult to change on a dime and take a course designed for the classroom and transfer it to an online format and have the same quality. So much would have to change, including how you assess student learning and what assignments you give.
1 posted on 03/20/2020 4:11:05 PM PDT by CheshireTheCat
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If you look at the Princeton bookstore in town you’ll see freshman students are being taught Jane Eyre - a book I studied in NJ as a junior in high school. The dumbing down continues. The truly brilliant Scott Fitzgerald quit Princeton in 1918 because the curriculum was so difficult. Now Toni Morrison is too tough for lib arts students.


2 posted on 03/20/2020 4:20:42 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Prayers for Rush)
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While this actually makes some sense, let’s not pretend that the students aren’t being just a bit opportunistic. Meanwhile, some tuition refunds might be demanded in some places.


3 posted on 03/20/2020 4:20:57 PM PDT by cdcdawg ("Americanism, not Globalism, will be our credo." DJT 2016)
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I think it would be financially better for the schools to give incompletes and have the students re-take the classes next fall. There’s no jobs out there anyway for these folks, so another semester won’t kill them.

/sarc (I really don’t care what they do.)


4 posted on 03/20/2020 4:21:50 PM PDT by Dr. Pritchett
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To: CheshireTheCat

Any student who is paying his own tuition should get this. All others snowflakes can suck it up.


5 posted on 03/20/2020 4:22:04 PM PDT by Seruzawa (TANSTAAFL!)
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I agree with them to some extent. And their argument is even more true with respect to all the elementary schools doing distance learning right now. Some kids get a lot of parental help at home while others get none. That’s certainly true during the regular school year with things like homework, but at least what happens in the classroom is a pretty level playing field. When it’s 100% home, not sure the regular grading system continues to make a lot of sense.


6 posted on 03/20/2020 4:22:38 PM PDT by irishjuggler
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I’m surprised they set their goals so low. I would’ve thought they’d DEMAND everyone get an “A”.


7 posted on 03/20/2020 4:25:14 PM PDT by libertylover (Socialism will always look good to those who think they can get something for nothing.)
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BS. Our daughter has worked her a$$ off this semester, including during the interim of “online classes.” These p*ssies merely want a free grade... I will be very angry if Pass/Fail occurs. Most likely, come on, be real, the whiners have not demonstrated their merit and merely expect a passing grade.


8 posted on 03/20/2020 4:26:34 PM PDT by lyby ("Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe." ~ Galileo Galilei)
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I’m surprised they set their goals so low. I would’ve thought they’d DEMAND everyone get an “A”.

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Indeed. These whiny, p*ssant babies. Good grief. I truly hope they grow a pair of testes or mammaries and grow up soon.


9 posted on 03/20/2020 4:28:47 PM PDT by lyby ("Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe." ~ Galileo Galilei)
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Do they also want every student to get a participation trophy and a juice box?


10 posted on 03/20/2020 4:29:06 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult
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Adapt Overcome Improvise

With sports and other group activities shut-down they have more time to focus on studies.

What does a Pass grade translate to on the 4.0 scale?

What’s next — everyone should just get a Pass grade due cowering over covid-19?


11 posted on 03/20/2020 4:30:01 PM PDT by plain talk
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So much would have to change, including how you assess student learning and what assignments you give.

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Once again, I call BS.

A lot, if not most, of university students’ coursework assignments and assessments have already been online for years.

WTH have you been?


12 posted on 03/20/2020 4:31:27 PM PDT by lyby ("Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe." ~ Galileo Galilei)
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I have taught college courses, both online courses and in-person courses. I geared my lesson plans, assignments, exercises, and testing to the format.

A course that is designed as an in-person course cannot be switched in the middle of a semester to an online course and have the same quality.


13 posted on 03/20/2020 4:35:41 PM PDT by CheshireTheCat ("Forgetting pain is convenient.Remembering it agonizing.But recovering truth is worth the suffering")
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Well, if any given instructor wants to make B- a "fail" grade s/he can.
Pass/fail is supposed to be for classes that we all HATE but HAFTA take.

My MOST hated class was Statistics 1.
OOOoooooooooo, it was HORRIBLE.

14 posted on 03/20/2020 4:36:28 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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Do they also want every student to get a participation trophy and a juice box?

Lol.
Shades of kindergarten...KINDERGARTEN COP.

15 posted on 03/20/2020 4:38:46 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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David Hogg seconds this proposal for Harvard also.


16 posted on 03/20/2020 4:44:53 PM PDT by LeoTDB69
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To: CheshireTheCat

I, too, have taught college courses, both online and in person. And yes, the class requirements can be adapted, depending on the flexibility of the professor/instructor.


17 posted on 03/20/2020 5:03:49 PM PDT by lyby ("Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe." ~ Galileo Galilei)
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And students must “jump through the hoops,” so to speak to EARN their grades.

So long as a student meets the requirements of my syllbus, we are good to go with A, B, C, D, F. Forget pass/fail. One either passes or fails.


18 posted on 03/20/2020 5:08:31 PM PDT by lyby ("Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe." ~ Galileo Galilei)
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One in-person courses, say in English can be moved to online kinda easy. Here, read this write up a paper on a topic of this. I have no idea how you can say you learned in a course like Chemistry, Biology or anything that has a lab where you lean by doing experiments and making observations.


19 posted on 03/20/2020 5:20:24 PM PDT by matt04
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So a course that is built around lab reports and laboratory experiments designed to help a student grasp scientific principles is really going to suddenly translate fine into an online format?

A public speaking class in which a student has to now perform in front of a camera on their computer instead of a live audience?

A seminar class that depends on class discussion? How easy is it going to be for all students to log in at the same time everyday in the middle of a crisis when they might have to take one of the 100k jobs at Amazon or Wal-Mart that have popped up as the result of this shamdemic in order to help the family because a parent lost a job?


20 posted on 03/20/2020 5:21:29 PM PDT by CheshireTheCat ("Forgetting pain is convenient.Remembering it agonizing.But recovering truth is worth the suffering")
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