Posted on 03/14/2020 9:19:40 PM PDT by bitt
Telling people to remain calm and simultaneously forcing people to remain in their homes would seem to be a contradiction in messaging; potentially only worsening the panic. However, this is one of those, “well, yes it’s unconstitutional except when….” moments, that may have rather profound consequences.
The Democrat mayor of Hoboken New Jersey has announced a mandatory curfew between 10pm and 5am where all residents are not permitted to exit their residence; and all bars must close due to the coronavirus.
I don’t know if this is the first ‘mandatory’ coronavirus curfew, or even how such an effort could feasibly be enforced, but it’s likely not going to be the last:.
New Jersey – 10:45pm ET – Hoboken Mayor Ravinder Bhalla announced a citywide curfew will be in effect starting Monday. The curfew also places major restrictions on bars and restaurants.
The curfew will be in effect from 10 p.m.- 5 a.m.starting on Monday, and until further notice. Residents will be required to stay home, except for emergencies, or if needed at work by their employer.
As of 11 a.m. Sunday, bars that do not serve food will not be permitted to operate at all. All other bars and restaurants are no longer permitted to serve food within the establishment, and can only sell takeout or delivery. (read more)
They closed everything in my county, so everyone now drives further to the next county to get what they need — how does that help?
Yeah - sure.
This is a very confusing statement. It sounds like a bar that serves food can remain open and serve food on the premises while any other restaurant can only sell takeout. But that would make no sense as a means of limiting contagion.
The year after I graduated high school I worked as a waiter at a family owned restaurant.
Half or more of my income in that job was tips.
If this curfew had been in effect during that year, I would not have had that job and the family that owned that business would have gone out of business.
About the only take out that I know of they did was when somebody was in the city jail. The local police got the jail bird food at this place because it was close to the jail.
All of the wait staff, all of the bartenders, all of the bar owners (whether they serve food or not) are going to be out of jobs and out of business. No bar can make a go of it unless they are serving drinks.
I picked up my car from the dealership today (it needed an annual overhaul). Two or three people at the service desks (others probably in the repair area - almost a few crew yesterday). They have kept the place very clean and disinfected.
Then went to a very large Harris-Teeter market and shopped my ass off, not for necessities (did that earlier in the week), but for general foods for dinner, salad dressings (buy 2 get 3 free - Russian dressing, two kinds of Thousand Island, Greek Lite, Italian Lite, and Sweet Vidalia Onion), and the hot food bar - got a sampler type meal - a few sweet/smoky BBQ ribs, two little pieces of pork, three pieces of Teriyaki Chicken, an great mushroom-covered meatloaf, Spanish Rice and Fried Rice (Japanese style, not Wuhan Carry-Out style).
Best meal I’ve had all week. Some of my taste is beginning to return from chemo treatments so tonight was special.
The place was packed. Nobody coughed, wheezed, sneezed, peed, hacked, or collapsed. Only the toilet paper aisle was empty (I’m sure Cheryl Crowe hadn’t been there. She’s still using the same roll she showed up about 15 years ago).
Lots of hype but almost no reported cases of the virus in the DC area. Seattle area took the biggest and saddest hit. Unfortunately it was the elderly who died instead of Washington State’s wacko Marxist governor and the Marxist-led Seattle City Council. God, please reverse this. The Marxists love Red China so much they should die for her.
Now Freepers, eat your hearts out. Specials on pies - a real chocolate covered (with whipped cream), Boston Cream Pie for about $6.00 and a Lemon Merangue Pie for about the same price. Yum, yum. Great after the buffet style dinner my wife and I had. No virus, no hype, no panic. Just good old American food.
Tomorrow - pizza!!
“700,000 Americans - 2% of the population”
Math is hard.
Yes in a few counties in Pennsylvania.
You should maybe google “Gunnison, Colorado, Spanish Flu of 1918”
#61. re driving to the next county to get what they need - how does that help?
Sure as hell helps the economy of the “next county”, thank you, foolish leaders.
The responses to this are more alarming than the virus itself.
Yes indeed.
That’s interesting. I’m of a split mind right now about such an idea but mostly leaning against such an idea for a multitude of reasons. We are after all a free country with the right to travel. It is not at this moment a pandemic. It is not even an epidemic. It is an outbreak. It may be worse that we yet know due in part to the lack of testing.
But I am a little bit wondering whether Trump is falling for the bait here. They have hit him so damn hard with criticism and blame, he may be over-reacting. And in turn the states and cities are applying additional pressure with things like this.
But, he will get the blame no matter what. The buck stops with him. And when the German chancellor says things like “70% of Germans are going to be infected” it sort of leaves him no choice but to shut off all travel from Europe (because of the Schengen border rules, Germany=Europe more or less).
At the same time, when things calm down, he should be kicking some ass as to why all these alphabet soups FDA CDC HHS etc have left the country woefully unprepared. We have everything we need in place to run plenty of tests. It’s just that the FDA has rules about the tests, the type of reagents, the types of equipment. The FDA or the CDC should have a contingency plan in place for times like these, when we need to expand testing we relax the rules. It may have +/- false positive/negative rates, I am no expert, but it is better than no tests at all. We have no stockpile of latex gloves, masks, ventilators, vital medicines. We don’t even have much bleach or alcohol available. All these agencies are failing as far as I am concerned.
The buck stops at the POTUS’ desk. But all these federal agencies are passing the buck and did not do their jobs well at all leaving it all on him. It’s a very tough call, and he has said his #1 priority is our health. Which it should be. But I wonder if he isn’t over-reacting due to external pressure.
It does not help.
“He is simply using the virus as an excuse to take away people’s freedoms.”
Wrong, There’s a real problem emerging in the NYC Tri-State area.
Perhaps I can be even more direct. Before you tell people they cannot travel in or out of any major city, shouldn’t you first take steps inside those cities? For example, why are they still running the subway in New York? They say no gatherings of 250 or 500 people or whatever... but millions of people are on those train cars every day. Mass transit=mass spread of disease.
I wish no person illness. But for pete’s sake, if this disease is going to spread like they are all behaving it will, then NYC is going to be hit very, very hard. And Manhattan island is totally dependent on importing everything they need every day (and, exporting all their waste and trash). But on the subways, trains and buses are where the disease is going to spread the fastest to the most people - not people traveling from Charlotte to Nashville or whatever.
My first thought too. Or the “leaders” in Hoboken must think the virus goes dormant during the day.
I read it as no Bars open at all at any time. Restaurants that have a bar in it can only do take out or delivery so no patrons inside. I am not sure but this is the gist I get.
I wonder if the Mayor believes he will get money from the government to make up for the loss in revenue. People are going to lose.
“Is there anything there that is really worth staying up and out past 10PM?”
In the shadow of the Empire State Building it’s a major area for 55,000 residents and people coming to have fun.
Median income $162,000.
The entire Tri-State area of millions is in peril due to the ChiCom virus.
Government enforced “social distancing” can’t be far behind. Is it 1984?
Nice!
What you say is true of course. But say you go out at 11pm. Cops pull up and say “hey go home or you’re under arrest”. You start coughing and sneezing and spitting. You think the cops are gonna come near you?
This 10pm to 5am thing is almost completely useless. The only thing that makes sense about it as someone else wrote above is the idea that, as a consequence of the school closures, there are a lot more young people going out at night to clubs and bars and who knows where else. But even that will cause other consequences. People will party in a house or apartment complex all night if that’s what they want to do.
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