Your Second Civil War: It Ain’t Happening.

Conservative Right Wing News ^ | 10/07/2019 | Jeffrey A. Friedberg

[RArtfulogerDodger]

Your Second Civil War: It Ain’t Happening.

OPINION: By Jeffrey A. Friedberg

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PICTURE: The Real USA General George S. Patton, With Ivory-Handle Revolver.

I have read articles. And I have read “Comments,” that follow the articles. I see references to, “a second civil war.”

I see calls for “molon labe…or for, ‘lock and load.’”

I am told that, “70 million Americans stand ready.” I see other militant opinions, and analyses.

But, in my opinion, there can be no “second civil war.”

Unless whoever commands America at that time is leading it.

If there were to be an armed uprising of any sort, the government — whoever might be in charge — would normally be duty-bound to end it. Put it down. Make arrests. And so-on.

For instance, if Donald Trump were President, it would be his job to suppress any armed revolution.

The same goes for any Democrat President.

That is — as stated, unless one, or the other, were leading it — leading a Second American Revolution. Or civil war.

In 1776, only about a third of the country supported the “First” American Revolution.

In 2019, would a third of America again stand up and fight? Given present differences between Americans during, say, World War II, and today’s Americans — no, I don’t think so.

Especially, since, today, there is no way to hide from an all-seeing Government eye. A super science that can read or hear your every word, recognize your face from space, or fly a Hellfire missile through your bedroom window.

There could be no “secret” meetings. No “underground.” No “spy network,” and no “hiding out among the people.” No “swimming like fish,” among them.

Because if the government doesn’t discover you, somebody on your street will damn sure report you.

Try congregating in groups, or “hardened” shelters, and see what happens. Try showing a gun, or wearing black or camo. Try practicing formations, marching, or training. Try “practice” shooting. Try those things and see how fast things happen.

Let’s be more realistic about all this.

You’re not gonna fight Them from your door. You’re not gonna fight them from your driveway. They could park a tank in front of your house. They could flood the neighborhood with armed troops or “violence suppression units,” and surround you.

You’re not gonna fight “enemy” leaders, by storming their redoubts, because they will be deep underground, in hidden, impervious, protected, well-guarded, government bunkers.

Being even more realistic, let’s say that In 2019, if a third of America were to support an armed revolution, that would be about 110,000,000 people. Enough to make an army? Of course.

But I, personally, doubt that would happen. Not as long as “folks” are comfy, have stuff in the fridge, families to consider, careers, new DC Universe movies, and the legacy media to keep them “informed.”

I mean most people would hide; not all of them, of course, but most would. The average person would probably want to keep their head down and “just live my life.”

Also, we are told that as many as 30,000,000 “folks” — here — are from other countries, and may not feel they owe any allegiance to America.

So — how many would stand up and fight?

I don’t think the entire balance of people would fight.

For the sake of conversation, let’s make things even more realistic, and cut that number of 110,000,000 in half. That leaves maybe 55,000,000. Still enough for an army? Yes. But would all that many “folks” stand and fight? Probably not — no.

Playing the odds, even cutting it in half again, to about 27,500,00, it’s still a lot of “folks.” Except, as stated, we are told some 30,000,000 are not even from here.

So — how many would actually stand and fight? What’s the size of this “army?” How many would be armed? How many would be trained? How many would know what to do against a trained and equipped opposition force? And I’m not talking about single-action, AR-15s, and 9mm Glocks.

I’m talking going up against tanks, missiles, artillery, helicopter gunships, and lots of really big, fully automatic, guns.

Oh — and where, exactly, do “folks” go to have this “revolution?” Who’s in charge? Who decides things? What’s the target? What are the rules of engagement?

PICTURE: The Real Face Of USA General George Washington. Reconstructed.

Who watches over them?

Where do they get drinking water and food?

How many tanks do they have? Jets, missiles, trucks. Where do they sleep?

I hear arguments that “ex-service people and police” — Patriots — stand armed, experienced and ready to fight. That there would — therefore — be no such opposing Force willing to kill fellow Americans.

Duh? What would these ex-service people and police be doing? Handing out pamphlets to the other side? It’s said these are the ones ready to fight. Who will they be fighting?

Will they be shooting people? Killing them? Or, will they be shooting “only to wound?” Just enough to make an example?

Would they really shoot Americans?

Of COURSE!

— There will always be people willing to shoot other people. No matter what “side” they may be on. No matter who they support — whether, the President, or Whomever else may be in charge.

Further, what if there are more than two armies, and not just the imagined, one army of Others, and one army of police, ex-servicemen, and additional “patriots?”

There have always been people ready to pull the trigger. There have always been people who thought it was patriotic, religious, orderly, or just plain fun. Killing would take place on both sides. On all sides.

What if religion or race created even more armies? And everyone had people who could pull the trigger?

What if some inflamed congressman or senator somehow got their hands on a nuclear weapon, and some “patriotic,” willing military, and decided to bomb a “conservative” city? We have already been told that can happen.

Where would this war start? Who would participate? What — or who — would be targeted? What’s the order of battle?

How could this war be ended? Who would be in charge to end it?

And then what? Who won? What System would be dominant? Democracy? Communism? Liberty? Equality? Fraternity? One World? How would that particular System be enforced? Who would enforce it?

Where would America have been — or be, all this time? What would happen to America’s leaders, traditions, Constitution, declarations, documents, and other guiding principles? Would America be poised to unfold like a newly majestic butterfly? Like a blazing phoenix rising from its own ashes?

Or would it be crumbling in some hidden bunker?

What’s the answer?

I don’t know.

I can only hope that Donald Trump exposes mighty powers now working against America. That the American people reject and shun them. That anyone who hates America will be dealt with legally, constitutionally, and finally, forever.

I can only hope there will be no second armed insurrection.

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[DesertRhino]

“Could be exterminated by gunships, missiles, and bombers by lunchtime.”

Like Vietnam, Like Afghanistan, Like Eastern Ukraine, like Hong Kong, like Chiapas, like Syria, like Iraq, like Yemen, like dozens of places.

By lunchtime...home for Christmas...kick in the door and the whole rotten house will cave in.

We’ve heard it before...

[DesertRhino]

“Even 100,000 men acting independently could shut down the entire country in a few days. Maybe just one full day.”

Two morons with a single rifle, one mag of ammo and a Chevy shut down DC and the surrounding states for several weeks.

[frank ballenger]

((Afghanistan war)) Hell, I was there in 2002.

1) Thank you for your service to our country

2) Maybe in 20-30 years things will get sort of settled down over there. Maybe not. /s

[frank ballenger]

Writer never read “Unintended Consequences” by John Ross

Cheapest AbeBooks used copy is $91.40. Most higher cost. I was told by a FReeper to read it once---not at that price.

[Starboard]

I hope Barr realizes that if the cabal escapes punishment and accountability they will never cease their nefarious schemes against us. Barr’s failure to prosecute would set a terrible precedent that basically condones the political weaponization of our federal agencies. At that point we are done as free republic.

I pray that Barr does the right thing but at the same time I’m very skeptical that he will.

[Garth Tater]

"Cheapest AbeBooks used copy is $91.40. Most higher cost. I was told by a FReeper to read it once---not at that price."

"Unintended Consequences" was placed in the public domain by its author, John Ross - a true American patriot.

Download it for free here: Unintended Consequences

[Ozark Tom]

‘Internet Archive’ ‘Unintended Consequences’ ‘John Ross’ search! Choose format.

[John S Mosby]

Excellent points all. Something being missed is the ability of small arms (pistols, rifles/semiauto, and specialty rifles of the correct caliber and range) in us of... shall it be said— “capitation” actions of leadership.

This has been studied at length, and several excellent classic writings about the capability of regular citizens to change the course of events. Effectively.

One cannot hose down the populace with gunships and not expect a reaction— quite directed. Which was my point— that for “gunships” to be used requires the leadership and command and control— all of which would be first most in targeting by strike teams. The techie types think that a missile can replace a submunition 22 caliber, quietly applied to the back of the head of... whomever.

[John S Mosby]

Yes, indeed. The up close and in person scenario would certainly feature, as would the choice of the houses to place tanks.

None of this is pleasant to imagine or war game— but it is.. essential.

[wintertime]

Isabel Allende wrote in her book, “Paula”, that the freedom fighters salted the roads leading into Chile’s cities with nails.

[wintertime]

Re: Generals

Hm?....you mean the same generals who ignored **FAKE** birth documents? Those documents were known to be FAKE within minutes of their posting.

Generals? What did they do? They persecuted lower level officers who had the courage to say something when they saw something!

[Windflier]

Blah, bleah, blah—you’d be asymmetric for about 10 minutes until the gunships showed up

Fewer than fifteen thousand 'insurgents', using asymetric warfare tactics, tied up the US military in Iraq for nearly ten years.

Fifteen million armed and pissed off Americans would be more than our (or anyone else's) military could possibly handle.

So much for your gunships.

[Windflier]

Things are going very well for our betters and they have no need to take the risk that a civil war would entail. One or two more generations and they will have their new order. No muss, no fuss, just a nice gentle walk down the road to hell at a speed the the herd will accept.

That slow and steady, incremental approach to "fundamental transformation of America" ended with Obama, who slammed the pedal to the metal.

The left followed his lead and are now completely unhinged and literally demanding an end to this country. Now. Our reaction to their lunacy was Trump. Their reaction to Trump is what's leading us closer and closer to a complete breakdown of the civil order in this country.

[Windflier]

Writer never read “Unintended Consequences” by John Ross

GMTA!

I was just going to post that. For those who are interested, you can read the book in full here:

Unintended Consequences by John Ross

[Windflier]

"Writer never read “Unintended Consequences” by John Ross"

Cheapest AbeBooks used copy is $91.40. Most higher cost. I was told by a FReeper to read it once---not at that price.

Just for you, Frank:

Unintended Consequences PDF

[Garth Tater]

"That slow and steady, incremental approach to "fundamental transformation of America" ended with Obama, who slammed the pedal to the metal."

There is no "fundamental transformation of America" in our future. America is going to be canceled out like it never existed and the people are going to be happily brought into the new order of freedom and equality and economic justice for all! And it won't be done by open warfare - popular acclaim is much more likely.

For at least the last one hundred years they have been whittling away at the bedrock that our country was built upon. They have been debasing our currency, mis-educating and indoctrinating our youth, corrupting our marketplace, corrupting our leaders and increasing civil discord - and they are going to keep on doing this until we willingly accept their offered solution to all the strife and turmoil that they've caused.

To hear the old geezers on Free Republic talk they are just about ready to take up arms - but when they were young enough to have actually done so no one did a thing. Why? Because the level of stress and the rate of change was kept at a level that they could accept.

And the generation behind us oldsters? They were educated from day one in the new, modern way of thinking and are much more accepting of government intrusion in their lives. They are quite happy to accept "reasonable" restrictions on their freedoms - all for the greater good you know. And the generation behind them just now coming of age politically? Many of them would not only accept outright communism but would actually fight in the streets for it.

But that won't happen until the old geezers are gone because some of those old guys just might fight back and that could possibly get out of control. The plan has been in the works for much too long and is progressing much too well to take that kind of risk. And why take any risk at all? The day is coming - one more generation, maybe two - and we will be begging them to free us from the tyranny of that old white man's Constitution. All that's needed is patience and just a little more time.

[Mat_Helm]

"Unintended Consequences" was placed in the public domain by its author, John Ross - a true American patriot. "

I have a first year hard copy addition of the book and still have it. Another good book on what one man can do is Tom Clancy's "Without Remorse"

It is a silly conjecture to use words like Civil War Two. It would not be a War in the modern sense with full military forces going at each other to control the nation. This could happen after civil unrest reached the point that even all government forces had no control of states or regions.

What is likely to occur many have touched on, which is violent civl unrest. The cities are weak points that could be shut down in days and all civil control is gone. If this went on for weeks or months and spread without Marshall law or armed troops restoring order then the military itself could break down into factions for control of weapons and munitions if they were not under presidential authority.

The question is what would spark such massive civil violence? Not impeachment it would not remove Trump but it the Senate convicted actually removing Trump from office for doing nothing? Or if the Supreme Court chose not upholding the constitution and allowing government confiscation of weapons? Those are two such things that would lead to 100 million angry people to get seriously pissed off. If only 3% of those (3 million armed and motivated people) begin shooting after the left fires a few shots at conservatives than I would not want to be in a big city or urban area. Of those 3 million are a few hundred thousand well equipped, connected, trained, skilled, and motivated people that could bring the government to a standstill until cooler heads prevailed. Can anyone predict what happens when all that starts and where it ends up? Would make for a great fiction novel. Millions fantasize nightly watching the walking dead and zombie movies and shows that dehumanize their fellow Americans into targets. The author of the Hunger Games was trying to teach young people about the results of socialism and war. That novel has a civil war fracturing and balkanizing the country into further wars and then Districts controlled by a tyrannical capital, then overthrown by armed rebellion. Frankly I think Texas would survive any scenario and like the Alamo set things aright again. Some of these swamp creatures in D.C. need to go an a Missouri boat ride.

[grey_whiskers]

Back in the 1820s John Quincy Adams and John Calhoun met and discussed the future of the young country.

It was a respectful and polite conversation,

...the left doesn't have those anymore.

[jmacusa]

Exactly.

[frank ballenger]

Thank you. Kind of you to help.