Posted on 09/19/2019 9:50:52 AM PDT by Rummyfan
GROESBEEK, NETHERLANDS 09.18.2019 - Dutch re-enactors, dressed as Soldiers of 82nd Airborne Division during World War II, parachute out of a Douglas C-47 Skytrain to commemorate the 75th anniversary of Operation Market Garden and begin the ceremony to present the Military Order of William to WWII veterans in Groesbeek, the Netherlands, Sept. 18th, 2019. This event is just one of the many events commemorating the largest airborne operation in history, Operation Market Garden, which was aimed at liberating the Netherlands and gaining a foothold into Nazi Germany by crossing the Maas, Waal, and ultimately the Rhine River. To this day, generations of Dutch remember the bravery and sacrifice of more than 41,600 troops from the US, UK, and Poland who together constituted the Allied Airborne Army. Commemorations honoring the Allied soldiers who participated in the historic airborne operation which liberated several Dutch towns take place Sept. 14-22, 2019. Photo by Spc. Ethan Valetski
I guess I am the only person who thinks it was a good idea. All kind of foul ups, really bad luck, equipment failures etc.
It really could have ended the war very quickly. Patton had the same idea.
Eisenhower was tired of Montgomery b!tching all the time, and said: “OK, do it your way.”
A very good “Band of Brothers” episode that covered Market Garden.
If Patton was running the thing, he would have been in Nijmegen kicking everyone’s butt.
That’s because Montgomery was in charge.
The filmmakers rejected Frost's reality, stating the audience wouldn't consider it to be realistic.
Montgomery had actually proposed a concentrated Patton style drive straight for Berlin arguing that it would bring a quick end to the war. But like Patton, Montgomery wasn’t considering the huge logistics problem it would create. Patton’s own army eventually stalled because he outran the ability to keep it supplied with gasoline and ammunition. A lot of strategic planning comes down to logistics.
Eisenhower struck down Montgomery’s idea of going straight for Berlin both on logistics and the fact that it would create a 500 mile long flank that the Germans could attack at will. Market Garden was a very limited replacement aimed at keeping the German army in the north under pressure.
Frost wrote a great biography. In one section he describes bathing in the desert out of a helmet. Anyone who thinks women should be allowed in combat should have to read that section.
They didn’t go to Berlin because it was pre-ordained that the Russians would take it.
https://www.csmonitor.com/1995/0410/10091.html
Why Eisenhower Halted at the Elbe
Roosevelt’s death did not stop West’s drive to Berlin — but Ike did, with a controversial decision
April 10, 1995
By Joseph C. Harsch
“.....On April 15, our group went to Eisenhower’s headquarters in Reims, France. We were ushered into his office. We all asked the same question, automatically, ‘’Why stop on the Elbe? Why don’t you reach for Berlin?’’
We learned the whole story later. Ike had consulted his field commanders. Gen. Omar Bradley estimated that to take Berlin would cost 100,000 casualties, but Gen. George Patton said, ‘’We had better take Berlin, and quick.’’ Lt. Gen. William Simpson, in command of the US Ninth Army, had reached the Elbe at Magdeburg on April 11 and secured two bridgeheads. On April 14 he asked General Bradley for permission to go on to Berlin. Bradley relayed the request to Ike. Ike said a firm ‘’No.’’
Reporters with General Simpson’s Army rode in jeeps to the outskirts of Berlin without incident or obstruction. The Germans had ceased fighting at that point. Simpson’s bridges were only 60 miles from the city.
Eisenhower gave us three reasons for standing on the Elbe: His armies were already well beyond the line of the western occupation zones that had been agreed to with the Soviets. Why take casualties for land that would have to be handed over? He had always worried about his troops meeting Soviets on the run around a corner. He thought it safer to meet them with a broad river between. And, finally, ‘’Berlin is only a political objective, not a military objective.’’
Bradley, in his book, ‘’A Soldier’s Story,’’ said: ‘’As soldiers we looked naively on the British inclination to complicate the war with political foresight and nonmilitary objectives.’’
The decision to stand on the Elbe was Ike’s, the most controversial decision of his public career. At the time, Britain’s Winston Churchill was furious. He wanted every effort made to reach Berlin before the Soviets. And he protested to Roosevelt that Ike had informed Stalin of this decision without consulting Churchill or Roosevelt.
Ike had told Stalin by telegram on March 28. By March 30 he was replying to a request from Gen. George Marshall in Washington for an explanation. He sent a long memo to General Marshall on March 30 that obviously did not satisfy Marshall, because he asked for more on March 31. These two cables, plus Ike’s major reply on April 7, are reprinted in Eisenhower’s book, ‘’Crusade in Europe.’’
Prime Minister Churchill felt that Eisenhower had seriously overstepped his authority by making the decision on his own and was even more at fault for communicating it to Stalin directly without clearing it with his political principals.
Could the Allied armies of the West have reached Berlin before the Russians? Probably. At the time the Western Allies reached the Elbe, some Germans units were already trying to surrender. Others were moving toward the West in the hope of surrendering to anyone but the Russians. Bradley, in his book, wrote: ‘’At the time, we probably could have pushed on to Berlin.’’ Soviet Marshall Georgi Zhukov had not yet crossed the Oder. But it is also true that Simpson’s first Elbe bridgehead was beaten back by three German divisions rushed out from Berlin. Not all German units were yet ready to surrender.
The fact that the Nazis allowed a jeep with a few war correspondents to drive to the edge of Berlin does not prove that Simpson’s Ninth Army would have been tolerated.
And the Germans were certainly not ready to give up in the East. The Soviets launched their final big offensive on Jan. 11, 1945, but not until mid-April did they reach the edge of Berlin. German resistance on the Eastern front was much more serious than that in the West — another reason the US Ninth Army might have reached Berlin first.
IKE did allow British Field Marshall Bernard Montgomery to push along the Oste to Lubeck — even to Wismar and Rostock. The purpose was to block off the Jutland Peninsula to keep the Soviets out of Denmark. That was a political objective on which the British had insisted. In a sense, it was the first political move in what would become the cold war.
But Ike would not allow his troops to the south to move beyond the Elbe. From April 11 until the armistice on May 7, the Allied armies of the West stood along the Elbe as the Russians hammered through Berlin and across the 60 miles of open country to the Elbe. One Russian unit reached the Elbe at Torgau on April 25. Other units came along quickly so that by the the end, Ike had achieved one thing he considered important — a broad river between his soldiers and the Russians. He was certainly correct on that point. By doing it that way, he had prevented any accident between Western and Russian troops. The meeting was safe.
The Soviets took between 100,000 and 150,000 casualties taking Berlin. In this case better theme than us.
On top of that, the Soviets had genuine incentive for absolutely crushing the Nazis after their plethora of crimes against their people committed during and after their invasion of Eastern Europe.
It’s called “payback” for a reason. The Nazis sowed the wind and reaped the whirlwind.
An interesting story. Sometimes I think Ike was one of the things MacArthur was right about.
Omar Bradley’s “A Soldier’s Story” is a long but very good read.
I believe Simpson was one of the best unsung generals that Rick’s praises in his book “The Generals” Simpson did a great job with little fanfare, retired quietly and died soon after.
Montgomery called Market Garden a “rapier thrust to the German heart”.
Patton called it a “f###ing pin prick to the German ass”.
An offensive along a single road was doomed to fail. Even Ike’s Chief of Staff Walter Bedell Smith called it a lousy idea.
Montgomery screwed his own offensive by not clearing the estuaries leading to the port of Antwerp. He captured the port intact but German forces on the estuary islands controlled the approaches making the port unusable by allied shipping.
Compounding the problems was the fact that Von Runstedt had replaced Model as Commander West. Von Runstedt took command 18 days before Market Garden and started moving German forces to more effective positions.
In the end, Montgomery was the biggest reason Market Garden failed. But he went to his death claiming the Americans were the reason for the failure.
Also, there was a notion that the way WWI ended, left a lot of room for the "stabbed in the back" conspiracy talk, that helped Hitler come to power. They wanted to make sure that would not be the case this time.
“It’s called “payback” for a reason. The Nazis sowed the wind and reaped the whirlwind.”
Let’s not forget that the Soviets lit the WWII fuse by joining the Nazis in the attack on Poland.
The only complaint that Stalin had is that Hitler turned on him. No honor among political criminals.
I’ll have to check out the Ricks book. See if he has anything on Alexander Patch who replaced Patton as commander of 7th Army. Patch was another very good general who didn’t cultivate publicity and who died soon after WWII came to an end. My dad served under Patch and thought highly of him.
“Montgomery screwed his own offensive by not clearing the estuaries leading to the port of Antwerp. He captured the port intact but German forces on the estuary islands controlled the approaches making the port unusable by allied shipping.”
IMO, it was Ike’s fault that he didn’t DIRECT Monty to clear the Scheldt Estuary, to the exclusion of anything else. The entire European battle plan depended upon opening the ports ASAP. But Monty was jealous of Patton’s headlines, and wanted a big splash.
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