Police Taze Man With Hands Up After Catching Him Stealing A Bike! Are They Wrong?

Tommy Sotomayor & The Voltron Force Network ^ | AUG, 29, 2019 | Tommy Sotomayor

[Morgana]

Police Taze Man With Hands Up After Catching Him Stealing A Bike! Are They Wrong?

[SkyDancer]

Seems that tazing was a bit much what with hisb hands up and not moving.

[TheDandyMan]

per capita

[Mr.Unique]

Meaningless.

Did you invent the stat, or is their a source?

[Yogafist]

In some respects, it’s like being a surgeon.

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Interesting comparison. I knew an er dr. who was also a reserve deputy. He claimed the decisions he faced as a cop were much more difficult than those in the er, but cops only have months of training.

[T. P. Pole]

People don’t understand that when police give you an order, you comply. If not, you’re placing yourself at risk.

Alas, we have all seen the videos with multiple cops on scene yelling different, conflicting things.

"Don't Move!" yells one. "Get on the ground!" yells the other. The only difference here is your decision - freeze or drop to the ground - determines while cop shoots you.

[TheDandyMan]

Doesn’t seem like you’re operating in the slightest good faith, either that or you’re the biggest moron on the internet. Either way, will the primary source do you any good? I can’t imagine the type of cloud you live in that any information you don’t like can be summarily dismissed as nonsense.

That said, I”m sure you’ll crap on the floor and do a Mexican hat dance around it to underscore your imagined victory. This isn’t the source I had in mind, probably on my home computer — in this instance, you’ll have to use your reading skills to buzz through the FBI.gov stats on officers killed in the line of duty as well to get your per capita number.

https://www.dolanconsultinggroup.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Dispelling-the-Myths-Surrounding-Police-Use-of-Lethal-Force.pdf

[Mr.Unique]

The primary source will do me some good. I will read it. I have an MS in Data Science and have a solid foundation in this type of stuff. Without it, your summary is useless. This may surprise you, but people misrepresent stats all the time.

That’s why I check the source. I’d still like to have it.

[Mr.Unique]

The Dolan Group paper is a classic example of torturing statistics. If you torture them enough, they'll tell you anything you want.

Take this chart for example:

This is a classic example of mixing data and incompatible scaling. Notice that the data all comes from the CDC, except for the shootings (the data that the author is trying to convince us about). This data is then taken to make an "apples and oranges" comparison (i.e. data on shootings from one source compared with data on assaults from another source).

Many of the charts in this paper have the same twist.

The author also has foot notes to bolster his point:

Interesting. He asserts that the risk of death from a doctor or nurse is 254 times greater that from police use of force and provides a reference to a WAPO article:

You can look at the link for yourself: Researchers: Medical errors now third leading cause of death in United States

But guess what? There is no support for the author's claim in this article. The number 254 never appears.