Posted on 07/15/2019 9:23:18 PM PDT by impimp
Things Jordan Peterson is wrong about: 1, gnostic views of Christ (his views seem to imply he doubts Jesus’ divinity but maybe I am wrong) 2. His belief that there is a place for the left in politics and that we would have too rigid hierarchical structures without the left. I see no problem with long term meritocracy and the left’s rejection of freedom is bad. He discusses this in depth on the Joe Rogan podcasts. 3. His lack of understanding of present day right wing thought - he seems to think it is authoritarian in nature. Right wing thought today mostly believes in rule of law and economic liberty.
Things he is correct about: 1. Seems like everything else not mentioned above.
yeah kinda Ayn Rand-ish.
Wonder what he feels about abortion or euthanasia...
Thoughtful commentary imp. I’ve listened to him in the past with admiration - now I’ll check him out again.
Jordan Peterson is Pro-life.
I’ll give it a go
1) he actively avoids questions about God or Christ’s divinity. but I find his psychology of the Bible fascinating, as he deeply agrees with all the moral lessons of Bible stories, although in a very different light. A recent podcast interview with Bishop Robert Barron is an example of this
2/3) I agree with your comment that he seems to apply acceptance of existing hierarchy as a “conservative” trait. I understand the point he is trying to make but agree that he’s wrong if he applies to modern conservatives.
Oh ok. Then yeah not of the Ayn Rand mold.
I agree with point 1. Not so much point 2.
There is a place for traditional left of center thought, though it should be pointed out that traditional left of center thought is considered right wing / racist / etc by the SJW brigade.
I’ve read both of his books and listened to several of his podcasts while exercising.
My opinion...He’s definitely in this to make money, for himself and his family. Some of his viewpoints are skewed by this; he’s more centrist/appealing to leftists and harsher to the right in order to appeal to a broader audience. That being said, I don’t think he backs off too much from what he truly believes. To dismiss him because he doesn’t fit our Christian or Conservative world view would be a mistake.
He states your actions are the true measure of what you profess to believe. Your actions should 100%, match your words. He won’t say he believes in God but always says he acts as if God exists. Draw your own conclusion.
Overall, he seems to inspire—especially younger men—to do better, to achieve more, and to choose to do the right thing in all situations. This can’t be bad...to take individual responsibility for decisions and life direction.
2.5 hour lecture. Give any section 30 minutes of undivided attention to see if it is interesting to you. Skipping around won’t make sense.
The Divinity of the Individual
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V1eMvGGcXQ
Noah and the Flood
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gFjB9FTN58
I liked this lecture. Prepare for bad things in your life. If you’re prepared properly as an individual, you may just save your family. If enough people did this, the world would be a much better place.
Jordan not only honors Judeo-Christian values, he acknowledges the crucial role they have played in Western civilization.
I agree wholeheartedly with your #2 view. Having lived in a communist country, communists, socialists, anarchists, etc., also organize themselves into hierarchies.
The difference is that in capitalism, people just want enough to make themselves “happy”, however they define that. Almost all would include “LIBERTY-FREEDOM” as one of the top defining traits of a good society.
In communism and socialism, everyone knows there is a “top” and think that if they tow the line, they will be included at the top. Experience has proven, whether in Nazi Germany or Stalinist Russia (Read “The Gulag Archipelago”), that most people are not at the top and even those at the top are subject to the whims of the minute small number at the top. You are never safe in a socialist society, no matter how devote you are to the cause. Homosexuals and minorities are among the first to be eliminated. Not recognizing this truth is willful ignorance.
In socialism, your fate is determined by others, no matter how high up you become. In capitalism, your fate is decided by yourself, so long as you produce what others seek.
I’m not too concerned about whether or not I agree with him ..just glad he’s pushing back on a few of the left’s shenanigans. He’s been good for Canada and the world by stiffening some spines.
Jordan Peterson said Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh should disqualify himself. He lost me on that one.
Agreed. (And also failure to identify the flip side which is: that the rejection of the Christian God is the primary source and foundation of the Marxist-Leninism she so despised.)
I need to learn more about Jordan Peterson. To be honest, I have trouble staying attentive to his lectures. He kinda loses me. Maybe because I’m not into psychology, or science? But I do like literature...and Ayn was more literary and Russian (passionate) in her way of expression of ideas.
But I assume Peterson is saying good things.
yes I learned about that on FR and got rather ticked off I remember...I forgot his reasoning though...but he did came off as elitist and clueless in that one instance at least.
good points.
“But I assume Peterson is saying good things.“
He does, but all RINOs say good things also.
Peterson says that he doesn’t know what the final result of pursing the good does to a person, how much it can affect you — it might be that it makes you divine. And Jesus could be divine because of his pursuit of the good. But he is hard to peg down on his religious beliefs: e.g., whether he is a Christian or not. He does believe in God and the logos; but a lot of his thoughts have more to do with the mythology and psychology of religion. The biggest conflict I find is that he is a Darwinist (man created the idea of God when they were like a tribe of chimps back in the dim mists of time), but this goes against his belief in the logos. He is skittery on the God subject but a good interview is him talking to Denis Prager about feeling uncomfortable when talking about his belief in God.
He believes that there is a place for the left in politics because traditionally they stood for equality and the little man. The right is more about freedoms. Usually there is a healthy tension between the two, where dialogue and compromise is needed. Today that is almost gone with the left’s stance against free speech and their insane radicalism. The insane radicalism of the left places Peterson on the right or far right, but he sees himself as temperamentally on the left due to his openness and creativity.
I think he thinks that right wing thought can become authoritarian, especially when hierarchies become corrupt. I would agree with him on that score because there is no political party that is not capable of corruption and abuse. The left has a thing against hierarchies because they see it strictly as a sign of power and corruption. Hierarchies are not just about power, they are also about competence. That’s Peterson’s point: hierarchies are useful tools in society. The left wants radical equality where there are no hierarchies, everything is flat, everybody is equal to everybody else in every respect. That’s no good because that implies the lowest common denominator is the only morally correct standard of measurement. If anybody strive upwards to excel they have to be smacked down to that common denominator. There you have equality of outcome rather than equality of opportunity.
Peterson floated the idea that Kavanaugh might resign after confirmation. Here is his long explanation of what happened:
https://www.jordanbpeterson.com/political-correctness/notes-on-my-kavanaugh-tweet/
Even JP has dumb days.
3.
Endpoint leftism is totalitarianism.
Endpoint rightism is anarchy.
Read Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn.
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