Posted on 06/23/2019 11:30:23 AM PDT by JZad
Not unlike the political divisions in America today, Judaism is equally divided. There are those that support Palestine as having rights beyond Isreal. And those that do not. Where do you stand?
There was an Israeli state in the land of Israel 2000 years before the evil prophet of Islam allegedly flying on a "magical horse" from Mecca to Jerusalem.
The “Palestinians” are Arabs who were brought to the region by the Ottoman empire as part of the Muslim occupation in the region. They are definitely not the tribes from Crete who settled down in the 5 cities of Gaza strip after the Exodus of Israel from Egypt. These tribes were called Philistines and they weren’t Arabs at all and today’s “Palestinians” are definitely not their descendants. The Philistines don’t exist as a nation.
Israel isn't just a name of a state. It's first and for all a name of a nation (Am Yisrael). Israel is the name of the father of the nation (Jacob) and Israelis are his descendants. The real meaning of the word 'Israeli' is someone who belongs to the nation of Israel and not only "a citizen of a state called Israel".
Gentiles invented the word ‘Jews’. When the Persians, the Greeks and the Romans occupied the land of Israel they called all the Israelis in the name 'Jews' because at those days the tribe of Judah was the biggest and the dominant tribe which survived the exile of Assyria in which 10 tribes of Israel were exiled. The tribe of Judah lived in the Judean desert thus the gentiles who occupied the land of Israel called the members of this tribe (and also the ones of Benjamin and Levi who joined it) in the name 'Jews'.
When Israelis (Jews) who live abroad go to synagogue they don't read about Jews in the prayer books nor in the Torah but about 'The Nation of Israel', 'The Children of Israel', 'The House of Israel’,'Shema Yisrael' etc. They are Israelis because they belong to the nation of Israel even if they aren't citizens of a state called Israel. Both the words 'Jews' and 'Israelis' refer to nationality, to ethnic identity and not to religion. Jews are members of the tribe of Judah and not "people who believe in Judaism". And the nation isn't called Judah but Israel, and so does the land and in the future the 10 tribes will return to this nation.
That's why Arab citizens of Israel don't define themselves as Israelis but as Arab/"Palestinian" citizens of a state CALLED Israel. They aren't members of the Israeli nation but of the Ishmaelite nation. Ishmael used to shoot arrows at Isaac (father of Israel) while saying: "I'm only playing..." That's why there's no "Israeli-Palestinian conflict" but a WAR that the Ishmaelite/Arabs opened on the Israelis. Also Muhammad murdered Israelis in Saudi Arabia who refused to accept his murderous pagan dream.
Couple of facts about Israel that the haters of Israel don't like:
1. Israel became a state in 1312 B.C., two millennia before Islam.
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Last, I agree, there is no such thing as “Palestinians” as a people or kingdom, at best it was an area with multiple “tribes” dwelling there but no one of them ruling.
Israel was a recognized kingdom and people by the Egyptians in 1500 BC and after they were dispersed in approximately 150 AD the Palestinians (so called and others) moved in
Even the Balfour declaration referred to the region as Palestine but not as a country
there is no such thing as “palestinian” (although that term was used by the Roman conquerors of Israel/Judea to try to bury Jewish history, empires frequently renamed places they conquered or destroyed ... )
the Fakestinians are Arabs (think: Arabia, but also Egypt, Syria, Iraq, etc.)... and were so designated (including by themselves) until the Soviet Union’s KGB drempt up the ‘palestinian’ moniker to try to bestow some sort of new identity on them, to disguise their real status as foreign Occupiers of Israel territories
and to use them as a destabilizing element in the middle-east
Anybody who “recognizes” Fakestinian “rights” to remain in Israel is either viciously anti-Semitic (in the usual sense of being a Jew-hater/Nazi mentality type)... or else is just extremely uninformed of the true history... and very, very naive.
(some JINO Jews in Name Only...self-haters...are included in both categories, most regrettably.....but FORTUNATELY there are so many good Christians that do know history and that support the Jewish people in the Jewish Promised Land...that these JINO enemies of the Jewish people have relatively less ability to do harm). Praise the Lord!
All one has to do is look at all of the ancient Palestinian artifacts found over the years in that area and you have your answer as to who is the rightful owner.
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Note. There were no such people as Palestinians prior to 1948. Re-read what I posted.
"There are those that support Palestine as having rights beyond Isreal."
It's ISRAEL.
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Muhammad's birth is held to be ~570 AD, so clearly Islam did not exist as a religion until a very long time after Judaism began, and even significantly after Christ and the founding of Christianity. So, again, claims of religious ownership of that region by Muslims is just not historically defensible.
Whether or not there is a legitimate claim of a right to the land on the basis of a historical physical presence there is a more involved question. Are those people now called Palestinians related to or descendants of the Philistines? That appears to be hotly debated. Even if this is a true connection, it doesn't mean that the Philistines and/or those now called Palestinians have a historical claim over the entire Levant. That position is, again, not historically defensible - since there was clearly a large Jewish presence in the Levant at the time of the Philistines and going back over 3000 years.
The current conflict about Palestinians is a modern conflict. It is held that after the Ottoman conquest of the region, those whose descendants are now called Palestinians lived in the region under Ottoman rule. So, from my perspective, Palestinian claims of regional ‘ownership’ are related in large measure to military aggression and conquest by Muslims.
So, you have the Jews who have religious and physical claims to the region for over 3000 years, and you have those whose claims to the region are most strongly related to Muslim conquest that occurred in ~1517 AD.
The current reality is that on one side you have a people, the Jews, who were the victims of attempted genocide during WWII, and who the world arguably owed a debt to, being given back a relatively small swath of land in a region that their ancestors inhabited for over 3000 years. On the other side you have a group of people whose historical roots remain unclear, whose claim to the land includes their adherence to a religion that didn't exist when Jews were in the ancient Levant, whose presence in the region was supported by Ottoman/Islamic conquest and rule, who have not faced genocide, and who are surrounded by nations that share their religion and heritage and thus that represent viable places for them to live in a way consistent with their views and faith.
On balance, I don't see how the enemies of Israel can make a legitimate argument against the sanctity and legitimacy of Israel as an independent Jewish nation.
Israel is God’s chosen people.
I don’t know where I stand on Isreal. Where is it located? Is it near Israel?
Every so often when something like this comes up I post it. Please use it as you like.
Minor correction. They were called Jews because the nation was Judah. The country split after Solomon, and Israel disappeared as a nation into the Assyrian conquest.When the split happened, the faithful from the other tribes moved to Judah. So that there are no lost tribes. All of this is backed up by scripture.
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