Posted on 05/28/2019 7:45:39 AM PDT by Liberty7732
The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money. Margaret Thatcher
In full deference to the Iron Lady, thats not the only problem. That is a functional reality of socialisms practical doom. But at its core, socialism is a violation of elemental human nature that desires to build, innovate, expand and improve life the same nature that drives parents to be always working towards a better future for their children.
Socialism denies that elemental nature and so not only dooms itself to eventual self-destruction, but creates enormous misery en route. This has been demonstrated in every country where it has been substantially put in place, from the Soviet Union to Cuba to Vietnam to Cambodia to Angola to Venezuela.
Yet for many from college campuses to Reddit fever swamps to now much of the Democratic Partys leadership socialism still holds a dreamy-eyed allure. They passionately to angrily believe the world would be dramatically better if socialism supplanted capitalism. This defies not only human nature, but also all historical experience. And yet it persists at amazing and growing levels.
The reason: Democrats dont work on an operational assumption of immutable human nature, or even increasingly in the reality of science. They operate in an arena that combines emotional utopianism (socialism) with just flat emotional make-believe (there are 112 genders.)
Communism, the maturity of socialism, officially rejects God, because the supreme deity is the State. It is hard to against the idea that the leadership of the Democratic Party gives some lip-service to God and church, but philosophically has jettisoned anything remotely tethered to the Christianity of the Bible. Kill God and then create a new reality based in what feels good.
This is a continual trend on the philosophical left.
So lets start with defining socialism, no small task really because part of the current Democratic/media task is to redefine socialism as having nothing to do with every social failure that has existed in history which is every attempt at socialism in history.
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. Winston Churchill
Socialist ideology defined Wikipedia has a fair if somewhat dry definition of socialism, summarized as being a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and control of every aspect of production. Social ownership includes public, collective, or cooperative ownership.
Means of production is the key. The means of production is essentially anything that is not human that is part of an economy. In socialism, the means of producing everything are in the hands of the everyone. There are no individual property rights, there is no individual ownership. Everything is owned by the collective, the hive, an economic Star Trek Borg 100 percent antithetical to the founders and the Constitution.
Socialism grew out of pre-Marxist ideologies that saw the inherent problems with feudalism. But its popularity exploded with Karl Marx and others as the industrial revolution took hold in the 1800s and abuses of the low-end labor pool grew exponentially at the same time wealth did. Socialism was a response to that by upending the entire system.
People power. But not person power.
Merriam-Webster defines socialism as any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods. Google defines socialism as a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word, equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude. Alexis de Tocqueville
What it looks like in reality The Russian Revolution of 1917 led to the largest experiment in socialism. The doey-eyed utopianism of Trotsky led to the authoritarianism of Lenin which led to the brutal tyranny of Stalin and the soul-crushing Communist Soviet Union.
That story is pretty well known but also a well-worn path for every socialist experiment, albeit it was on maybe the largest scale.
Cuba was the peoples revolution heralding in a communistic state that was ruled with an iron fist by Fidel Castro, just as Stalin, Khrushchev and the rest did in the Soviet Union. That was a thriving little island economically, but it was not hugely free and it was not a democracy. The income disparities and relative poverty in large swaths fueled Castros form of socialism and people followed him.
Venezuela is the most recent example. Due to its oil wealth, Venezuela had the highest per capita GDP in South America in 2005. It had not been well run and was fairly corrupt and incompetent at the government level. But it was still the best and richest in South America a continent known for corruption and incompetence in government.
In 2005, President Hugo Chavez took the country in a deep socialist direction. He began nationalizing industries such as oil companies and the media natural steps for socialism and started transferring large sums to the poor. The results are truly epic. Venezuela now has a totally collapsed economy with starvation and the lack of basic infrastructure becoming more common. A failure on an amazing level.
In an explanation of Venezuelas collapse, Bloomberg noted: The last years of Chavez he died of cancer in 2013 and the first under his handpicked successor Nicolas Maduro have been a time of unparalleled fiscal profligacy.
But that is always the case in socialism. Massive government debt driven by a declining economy a common side effect of socialism and huge welfare spending generated hyper-inflation has made the country the poorest in South America. In eight years it went from the richest to the poorest by pivoting sharply to socialism.
Socialism only works in two places: Heaven where they dont need it and hell where they already have it. Ronald Reagan
Capitalisms inequality problem Capitalism is duty-bound to create inequality in wealth. Some people are just great at making money. Some are great at making things. Some are clever and some are lucky (think Mark Zuckerberg.) Those generally do very well in capitalism. Many others are simply hard workers and they often do well, though in more of a middle class sort of way which in America is beyond kingly from just 150 years ago.
Other people are bad at making money and worse at money management. Others are not clever and some are unlucky. Some are just lazy. These all do relatively poorly in capitalism.
Relatively.
The question is whether inequalities are bad if all or most boats are being lifted, just some lifted higher than others. In the United States, the poorest 10 percent of people are better off than the richest 10 percent in any third world or developing nation. But Forbes points out an Economist chart that shows that Americas poor are better off than most of Europes poor, including better off than in far more socialist countries such as the Netherlands, Germany, France, Great Britain and Italy.
This is worth noting because those are considered social democratic nations by the likes of Sen. Bernie Sanders and Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. But they are actually capitalistic countries with free markets, but a heavy overlay of social welfare programs.
While they are often heralded as examples for America to follow, it seems like the trade-off of inequality is worth it for the rising quality of life of the poor unless envy trumps quality of life, which is what socialist-espousing politicians play on. Its why class warfare must precede socialism, as it did with Karl Marx, Vladimir Lenin, Mao Zedong and Fidel Castro, so it does with many in the Democratic Party.
China is the largest socialist/communist country and struggled with universal poverty for decades after its revolution. But as it instituted capitalisms free market reforms beginning in the 1980s while retaining its authoritarianism, and socialist structure in name anyway Chinas economy began booming and is now second only to the United States. Capitalism did that. But it also created the inevitable inequalities.
Vietnam became socialist/communist after the Vietnam War. The country was already a disaster from the long war, but socialism provided no means for pulling it out. In recent years, the leadership has instituted more capitalist-based market reforms, a la China. That has begun creating more wealth for the country, but it is mostly flowing into a few hands starting with those most connected to government leadership.
So capitalism works everywhere to generate more wealth. But it will always be unequal. Socialism equalizes, but does so by making everyone but those in charge poorer.
Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it. Thomas Sowell
What it might look like in America What happened in Venezuela is instructive, because it is similar to Cuba and even the Soviet Union, although every situation will have its unique dynamics.
In a vision of what the first steps toward socialism would look like in the United States, Democrats are running variously on platforms of free government-run single-payer healthcare, free college, expanded Social Security and more. Of course, the beginning, as a bad as that would be for the American middle class, is never the ending with socialism.
To pay for it and this is where Thatcher is just so right Democrats would dramatically increase taxes by trillions of dollars. In fact, they frequently speak of tax increases alone to pay for all of the nationalized healthcare. Thats just taking other peoples money on a more massive scale, and would due to the math require a giant middle class tax increase.
These proposals were only a small step toward full-blown utopian socialism. A totally predictable outcome would be that the high taxes would start slowing the economy, necessitating more tax increases, which would further slow the economy. You see the spiral.
The tax increases would never keep up with the expenses being run up in national healthcare, free college, expanded Social Security and the host of further steps that would ultimately be taken. The United States would not be immune to the immutable laws of economics and human nature. Eventually, we would succumb as has every other nation.
Socialism is a siren song to the idealistic, the frustrated and the naive. But it is a fools errand. It requires ignoring known reality and supplanting it with a make-believe utopianism which is the precise groundwork being laid by the 2019 Democratic Party in line with leftists for the past 150 years. Presumably, if right-thinking Americans prevail again in this battle, it will erupt again in 30 years or so.
Socialisms end is the proverbial pack of wolves and a sheep deciding whats for dinner. There is a new sheep member each dinner until there are no more sheep, and the remaining wolves starve.
And you have Venezuela. Or Cuba. Or Vietnam. Or the Soviet Union.
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Liberals don’t give two sh*ts whether socialism succeeds by any economic measure... what attracts them is the absolute power the rulers of socialist countries have. That’s why they gave such effusive praise to every Soviet leader through (and especially) Gorbachev, and Fidel Castro. They deeply admire the totalitarian hold such despots have over their countries.
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Socialism = Chained
“socialism is a violation of elemental human nature that desires to build, innovate, expand and improve life”
Right. The argument against socialism is not just that the outcome is bad. Its deeper than that. Socialism infringes on individual liberty.
“socialism is a violation of elemental human nature that desires to build, innovate, expand and improve life”
Right. The argument against socialism is not just the outcome.
They change the term to make it sound better
"Democratic socialism" they will tell you it's "market socialism" which is a counter-diction in terms. It an Orwellian term similar to: Blue is red or up is down.
People forget how capitalism is supposed to work. It’s brutal, but it gets results.
Ideally, a liberty-based capitalist economy generates a small class of superrich. Below themselves is a small “middle class” of professionals and merchants - people like doctors, lawyers, shop-owners, etc. Everyone else (75% to 90% of the population) is supposed to be either hustling to get into the other classes, or just living on WHAT THEY EARN and not expecting handouts.
Welfare, student aid, public housing, etc. just weaken our society. And even if those programs “worked,” they’d still be immoral because they involve theft.
Democrats need poverty to excuse the brutal oppression they so deeply crave.
“Are we there yet? No. Are we there yet? No. Are we there yet? No......
Incompetence = the inability to relate cause to effect over time.
Also applies to those who keep trying to figure out the obviously incompetent socialists and general issue leftists.
There’s also the issue of ignorance vs stupidity.
Ignorance is not knowing. Temporary.
Stupidity is incapable of learning. Permanent.
Leftists are incompetent and stupid.
Attempting to appeal to them, appease them, reason with them, understand them, are all their own form of incompetence. And if continued, sure signs of stupidity.
eople forget how capitalism is supposed to work. Its brutal, but it gets results.
I think the idea that capitalism is brutal is a slander based on the extreme edges of capitalism.
Really, what capitalism is is each man or woman figuring out how best to serve his fellow man by making a product or performing a service. The more needs you satisfy and the more you serve, the better you do.
Its inherently Judeo-Christian, in that the core practical lesson of both religions is to serve your fellow man the best you are able.
Theres nothing brutal about that.
They’re not blind to it...THEY ARE socialist, marxist, totalitarian wannabes.
“But at its core, socialism is a violation of elemental human nature that desires to build, innovate, expand and improve life the same nature that drives parents to be always working towards a better future for their children.”
This analyst is off the mark in saying that socialism violates human nature.
He mentions the positive aspects of human nature, but there are plenty that are not positive.
Socialism too feeds off human nature, mostly its negative aspects such as laziness, envy, shortsightedness, vice...
As Tocqueville so beautifully put it...
“There is a passion for equality that spurs all men to wish to be strong and esteemed. This passion tends to elevate the lesser to the rank of the greater. But one also finds in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to want to bring the strong down to their level [Class Warfare], and which reduces men to preferring equality in servitude to inequality in freedom.”
It is that “depraved taste for equality” that so many humans possess that feed socialist policies.
The man had a way with words.
I've come to that conclusion as well. So did George Orwell, himself a socialist when he wrote in Road To Wigan Pier:
The truth is that, to many people calling themselves Socialists, revolution does not mean a movement of the masses with which they hope to associate themselves; it means a set of reforms which 'we', the clever ones, are going to impose upon 'them', the Lower Orders.
His own conclusion was that the biggest (but not the only) problem with socialism was socialists:
The fact is that Socialism, in the form in which it is now presented, appeals chiefly to unsatisfactory or even inhuman types. On the one hand you have the warm-hearted un-thinking Socialist, the typical working-class Socialist, who only wants to abolish poverty and does not always grasp what this implies. On the other hand, you have the intellectual, book-trained Socialist, who understands that it is necessary to throw our present civilization down the sink and is quite willing to do so. And this type is drawn, to begin with, entirely from the middle class, and from a rootless town-bred section of the middle class at that. Still more unfortunately, it includes - so much so that to an outsider it even appears to be composed of - the kind of people I have been discussing; the foaming denouncers of the bourgeoisie, and the more-water-in-your-beer reformers of whom Shaw is the prototype, and the astute young social-literary climbers who are Communists now, as they will be Fascists five years hence, because it is all the go, and that dreary tribe of high-minded women and sandal-wearers and bearded fruit-juice drinkers who come nocking towards the smell of 'progress' like bluebottles to a dead cat.
I'm sensing a certain disaffection here...
A planned economy seems attractive to people think THEY would be doing the planning.
Political correctness is communist propaganda writ small. In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, nor to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is to co-operate with evil, and in some small way to become evil oneself. One's standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.
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