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Bump Stock Retailers Sue Feds For 75,000 Destroyed Stocks
guns.com ^ | April 9, 2019 | Chris Eger

Posted on 04/09/2019 1:30:37 PM PDT by PROCON

Retailers who had to destroy tens of thousands of bump stocks to comply with an ATF rule change have gone to the court seeking compensation. (Photo: Slide Fire Solutions)

Two former retailers of now-banned bump stock devices are suing the federal government for damages they incurred after having to destroy their inventory.

The plaintiffs include two companies, Minnesota’s Modern Sportsman and Texas-based RW Arms, as well as two individuals, Mark Maxwell and Michael Stewart, who in all lost 74,995 bump stocks to the ban which took effect late last month. The case, filed in a Washington, D.C. federal court, argues that the ban’s requirement that bump-stocks be surrendered or destroyed within a 90-day period, with no opportunity for registration, violated the Takings Clause of the Fifth Amendment which states that private property can’t be taken for public use without compensation.

The rule change, retroactively reclassifying legally-sold bump stocks as illegal machine guns, became effective on March 26. After that date, those possessing a bump stock could face federal weapons charges that carry up to 10 years in prison and $250,000 in fines for each violation. Between 2008 and 2017, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives had issued several classification decisions concluding that certain bump-stock-type devices were not machine guns.

“Without legislation, the government was able to overturn the previous ruling on bump stocks effectively turning law-abiding gun owners into felons overnight if they were not turned in or destroyed,” said Stewart of RW Arms. Stewarts’s Fort Worth-based company last month turned over more than 73,000 stocks to be shredded under the supervision of federal agents.

The lawsuit seeks an order recognizing that the stocks lost without just compensation violated the Constitution, leaving the government on the hook for the property along with the costs of suit, including attorneys’ fees and interest. An answer is due from the Department of Justice by April 11.

In early 2018, federal regulators believed there could be upwards of 520,000 stocks in circulation. Maxwell believes there could be over a million such stocks in the country.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government
KEYWORDS: atf; ban; banglist; bumpstock
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.. violated the Takings Clause of the Fifth Amendment which states that private property can’t be taken for public use without compensation.

Will this suit be successful?

1 posted on 04/09/2019 1:30:37 PM PDT by PROCON
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2 posted on 04/09/2019 1:31:40 PM PDT by PROCON ('Progressive' is a Euphemism for Totalitarian)
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To: PROCON
Will this suit be successful?

I hope so, but I'm not optimistic that it will be. The takings clause does not apply to contraband, and bump stocks were turned into contraband by the ATF ruling.

3 posted on 04/09/2019 1:34:19 PM PDT by Yo-Yo ( is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: PROCON

“Will this suit be successful?”

Probably, in an ultimate sense...as long as it is not filed in the jurisdiction of the 9th CIRCUS!


4 posted on 04/09/2019 1:34:51 PM PDT by 2harddrive (Go to www.CodeIsFreeSpeech.com for 10 FREE 3D-printer gun blueprints!)
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To: PROCON

No, it will NOT be successful because the government didn’t TAKE any property away. They just declared it illegal to possess. Technicalities will trip you up every time.


5 posted on 04/09/2019 1:38:27 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Would you rather face a horse sized duck or 100 duck sized horses on the battlefield?)
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To: PROCON

they should sue the democrats... as of now, the taxpayers will be liable for the pay back.


6 posted on 04/09/2019 1:40:29 PM PDT by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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they should sue the democrats

Why? This abomination was committed by a Republican president and his chosen lackeys.

7 posted on 04/09/2019 1:42:26 PM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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they should sue the democrats.

I think this one was Trump's call.
8 posted on 04/09/2019 1:43:10 PM PDT by JoSixChip (Trump stands alone.)
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To: JoSixChip

Trump has to wear the jacket on this one.


9 posted on 04/09/2019 1:47:00 PM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: Yo-Yo

Retroactive laws are unconstitutional.


10 posted on 04/09/2019 1:47:34 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not Averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: BipolarBob

King FDR did something similar — to Americans’ gold.


11 posted on 04/09/2019 1:47:39 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs
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To: PROCON

It seems to be ex post facto as well. But ATF was just following Sessions orders.


12 posted on 04/09/2019 1:50:26 PM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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“The takings clause does not apply to contraband, and bump stocks were turned into contraband by the ATF ruling. “

The sons of bitches could do the same thing with semi autos...just like they did in NZ.


13 posted on 04/09/2019 1:54:28 PM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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The sons of bitches could do the same thing with semi autos

Or literally ANY other object or substance.

100 years ago, our homegrown nanny-state tyrants were at least more honest. They passed a constitutional amendment before banning alcoholic beverages.

14 posted on 04/09/2019 1:57:29 PM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: Bonemaker
The sons of bitches already have in several states. At least semi autos that have removable magazines.

What is more likely is that the sons of bitches will take away the binary triggers like Fostech Echo and Franklin Binary. (Those triggers fire on the pull, and fire again on the release.)

15 posted on 04/09/2019 2:06:03 PM PDT by Yo-Yo ( is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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No, it will NOT be successful because the government didn’t TAKE any property away.

That is not what the takings clause means. They do not have to take anything. If something they do reduces the value of your property and no compensation is offered, that is a taking. Good background is Richard Epstein's book "Takings", 1985, Harvard University Press.

16 posted on 04/09/2019 2:41:04 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: 17th Miss Regt

Well, that takes my breath away. That just takes the cake. I was taken with the wrong line of reasoning and feel that my staying at a Holiday Inn Express didn’t improve my understanding of the law any whatsoever. I feel taken advantage of by their (HIE) advertising.


17 posted on 04/09/2019 2:57:11 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Would you rather face a horse sized duck or 100 duck sized horses on the battlefield?)
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To: PROCON

I still haven’t handed in my bump stocks. All these wire hangers and my fingers haven’t been destroyed by the criminal feds yet.


18 posted on 04/09/2019 3:07:46 PM PDT by AmericanCheeseFood (Fox Shadowbans People On Comments)
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To: PROCON

I wonder how many bump stocks were recently lost in tragic boating accidents?


19 posted on 04/09/2019 3:30:04 PM PDT by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism.)
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To: Yo-Yo

Uh oh...they’ll probably be goners too.


20 posted on 04/09/2019 3:36:35 PM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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