Posted on 01/30/2019 4:35:47 PM PST by RichardMoore
Article II,section 1,clause 5, mandates that the president be a NATURAL-born citizen, which you clearly are not. At the time of your birth BOTH of your parents were citizens of foreign countries...
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Obama having a British father was indisputable and still the USSC did nothing.
Citizen is not the same as natural born citizen as clearly differentiated in Art. II sec.1
Here’s an even better paper outlining a 2-parent/citizen standard (I forgot to throw this up last night):
Enough of this English law BS I keep hearing (snopes et al) arguing that parents can be aliens.
Vattel never used the term “Natural Born Citizen”. Anyone who cites Vattel for a definition is ignorant of reality. He didn’t use the term.
10 years after the Constitution was approved, a translation of Vattel translated “indigenes” as NBC. Indigene, then and now, refers to an indigenous person. Nothing to do with NBC.
If the Founders had followed Vattel, they would have required the President to be a “native” or an “indigene”.
According to the law School at Cornell University, a natural-born citizen refers to someone who was a U.S. citizen at birth, and did not need to go through a naturalization proceeding later in life.
The phrase “natural-born citizen” appears in the U.S. Constitution. In order to become the President or Vice President of the United States, a person must be a natural-born citizen. This “Natural-Born Citizen Clause” is located in Section 1 of Article 2 of the United States Constitution.
The constitution does not expressly define “natural born” nor has the Supreme Court ever ruled precisely upon its meaning. One can be a citizen while not being a “natural born” citizen if, for example, that person gained citizenship through the process of naturalization.
Under the 14th Amendment’s Naturalization Clause and the Supreme Court case of United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 US. 649, anyone born on U.S. soil and subject to its jurisdiction is a natural born citizen, regardless of parental citizenship. This type of citizenship is referred to as birthright citizenship.
Today, 8 U.S.C. § 1101 defines naturalization as “conferring of nationality of a state upon a person after birth, by any means whatsoever.” In contrast, § 1401 lists eight categories of peoples who are “nationals and citizens of the United States at birth,” including those born in the United States and subject to its jurisdiction, as well as children of one or more U.S. citizens abroad as long as the parent(s) meet certain requirements. This means that foreign-born citizens falling under a provision in 1401 are, by statutory definition, not naturalized. The term “natural born” is not used, however.
Without a definition from the Supreme Court, and their defining the semantics, there is no real definition of natural born and can be interpreted as starting from the parents to the child after birth, and not prior to birth since the parents are not US citizens which can be interpreted as a naturalizing process. Thus the debate goes on about the president’s position, but not about the legality of being a citizen.
rwood
I wen t to school when they were still teaching FACTS; unlike you.
You want me to remember the title of a 7th grade history book? LOL
I also post the info, re the eligibility requirements for a Natural Born Citizen, re being president and VP, that the study guide for taking the naturalization test to become a citizen, was in the early 2000s ( 2005-6, to be specific ) which you have man aged to ignore.
So I guess, the government agency that had that study guide published was/is composed of a bunch of "birthers", whom you are more "informed" are than them. It is to laugh!
Does that make all of the Chinese kids, born in California, whose mothers came here preggers on a GIVE BIRTH HOLIDAY, and then mother and child go back and live in China, eligible to become president of the USA?
“We the people won’t allow it.”
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WTP have lost our voices, not only our minds.
We have elected congress critters who SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN eligible. Be it due to our lack knowledge or our faith that someone with morals would see to our well being.
How many in congress have we seen who are NOT Christians and have NOT taken their oath on a Christian BIBLE (but a flimsy substitute)?
Our Constitution is no longer feasible for we are no longer a Christian nation.
“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” ...
John Adams
We, now, could hardly be called a CHRISTIAN NATION.
Not when a NY Gov. signs laws in the extreme which permit abortion. Not when candidates who mock CHRIST find themselves elected to rule from their cushy chairs.
Where were WTP then. Uncaring, full of self interest or so totally disgusted we had thrown in the towel?
CWII is upon us, I fear. The last straw has been found.
John Jay’s dream of a nation has become a nightmare.
“The Americans are the first people whom heaven has favoured with an opportunity of deliberating upon and choosing
forms of government under which they should live.”
...John Jay
“...if the people of America lay aside the Christian religion altogether, it may happen. Should this unfortunately take place, the people will choose such men as think as they do themselves.”
James Iredell, Sr
Debate in North Carolina Ratifying Convention
WRONG!
She's an "anchor baby". Needs US citizen parents to be eligible.
No, but the Supreme court has defined it in a unanimous decision.
Alrighty, then:
Cite for all of us the absolutely perfect paper which meets all of your criteria without being “birther” bullshit.
Waiting...
Supreme Court has already said NBC is rooted in English common law - from Natural Born Subject to Natural Born Citizen.
Riiiight. Just like SCOTUS invented the right to abortion.
Try again.
“Riiiight. Just like SCOTUS invented the right to abortion.”
No. There is an excellent legal history SHOWING the progress from NBS to NBC. NBS was a very widely used legal term, known to every founding father, frequently used in legislation - and after freedom, it was GRADUALLY replaced with NBC.
And since Vattel NEVER USED THE TERM, Vattel is obviously NOT the source of the meaning!
“WHY do children born in a foreign nation, of two American NBCs have to be registered at the USA embassy…..”
Probably to get the child a passport. Anyone in the US regardless of age must have his or her own individual US passport when traveling abroad. This implies that if, you and your newborn baby and/or minor children are traveling abroad, they will need their own passport. The process of applying for a US passport for a newborn baby is the same as applying for a US passport for minor children under 16. Once granted, US passports for newborn babies and children under 16 are valid for 5 years. US passport applications for newborn babies and children must be submitted by the parents in person at a passport agency or passport application acceptance facility. That in a foreign nation, would be at the embassy.
“why was McCain investigated and held to not be a NBC by Dems, but was later said to be one after the bruhaha?”
Because he was born to two US citizens that had not been living outside US territories for more than the allotted time. And the only people investigating him were the liberals who were looking for a way to disqualify him for running for the presidency. Same with Ted Cruz as his mother was a US citizen when he was born.
“Does that make all of the Chinese kids, born in California, whose mothers came here preggers on a GIVE BIRTH HOLIDAY, and then mother and child go back and live in China, eligible to become president of the USA? “
Yes. They are born on US soil which automatically makes them a US citizen if they wish. A loophole in the creation of the 14th amendment in my estimation, but there still the same as it was created to citizenize the slaves.
But a more recent example is Barrack Obama. His father was Kenyan, and his American mother had lived outside the country for longer than the allotted time for Barrack to be a citizen by birth. According to the 14th amendment, where one parent is a U.S. citizen; other parent is a foreign national, the U.S. citizen parent had to be physically present in United States or its outlying possessions for at least 5 years (2 after age 14) prior to child’s birth. Obama’s mother lived in Kenya for too many years so Barrack didn’t qualify as a US citizen. This was why the question is raised and, in my mind, why a fake birth certificate was created in Hawaii to make him a US citizen. Of course not to be president, just a US citizen. That and the fact that there is a British birth certificate locked down and he has a duel citizenship.
https://www.uscis.gov/policymanual/Print/PolicyManual-Volume12-PartH.html
rwood
Makes no difference to Camarillo Brillo.
“She’s an “anchor baby”. Needs US citizen parents to be eligible. “
Pursuant to the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution and the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), U.S. citizenship is automatically granted to any person born within and subject to the jurisdiction of the United States (known as jus soli). Furthermore, the Supreme Court of the United States affirmed in United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898), that the Fourteenth Amendment guarantees citizenship for nearly all individuals born in the United States, provided that their parents are foreign citizens. The main ones left out are the newborn children of foreign ambassadors.
An example is Obama. His father was a Kenyan national. But because he was “born on US soil,” he was eligible to run.
rwood
““No, but the Supreme court has defined it in a unanimous decision.”
I think the closest they have come is Perkins v. Elg, 307 U.S. 325 (1939), which was a decision by the Supreme Court of the United States that a child born in the United States to naturalized parents on U.S. soil is a natural born citizen and that the child’s natural born citizenship is not lost if the child is taken to and raised in the country of the parents’ ...
But this ruling to my thoughts does not take into consideration non-naturalized parents. If you have a case, please, display it. Thanks.
rwood
Lets see.....????Who will sign off on her candidacy? I think it is the same one that said Obama met all qualifications. Nancy Pelosi of course.
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