Posted on 09/28/2018 12:37:24 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
One of the biggest disputes in the Brett Kavanaugh saga has not been over what questions should be asked about the alleged sexual misconduct of which he's been accused and which he strongly denies — but over who asks them.
Specifically, Democrats and outside groups want the FBI to conduct an investigation into the accusations made by Christine Blasey Ford and others about the Supreme Court nominee's conduct from decades ago.
That looked as though it wasn't going to happen until a dramatic Judiciary Committee meeting on Friday morning. After some offstage horse-trading, senators voted along party lines to move Kavanaugh's confirmation forward to the full Senate — while also getting behind an informal agreement to delay the floor vote by a week for an FBI investigation.
Sen. Jeff Flake, R-Ariz., said he would vote to advance Kavanaugh if that meant a weeklong interim before a floor vote during which the FBI could investigate the allegations made by Ford and others.
Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, said he would go along with the caveat that the decision about when to schedule the floor vote is up to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., and the decision about whether or not to involve the FBI is up to President Trump.
But Grassley said that for what it's worth, he would put in a word for Flake.
"I would advocate for the position he took — but I don't control that," Grassley said.
Democrats voted along party lines to oppose reporting Kavanaugh favorably to the full Senate, but they welcomed the prospect of a one-week gap to give time for an FBI investigation.
"This was kind of a surprise to all of us," said Sen. Amy Klobuchar, D-Minn.
Trump told reporters at the White House that he deferred to the wishes of the Senate on how to handle this stage of the Kavanaugh process but the president did not address whether he would activate the FBI.
Battle royale
Democrats had been demanding an FBI investigation all along, including at a dramatic hearing on Thursday, during which both Ford and Kavanaugh testified before the committee. An outside prosecutor assisted senators with the questioning.
Grassley and Kavanaugh both said on Thursday the committee was what's important here. Its members and staff are the ones who must draw conclusions about what they believe so its members can vote on whether to recommend his nomination to the full Senate.
The FBI, as Grassley and Kavanaugh pointed out, wouldn't make any independent findings about the substance of the claims. Its investigators would very likely just conduct interviews with the people involved and then pass them along.
If that's so, why is the role of the FBI still such a big deal even after the historic, emotional marathon of open testimony?
The weight of the FBI
There are several reasons an FBI investigation would be different.
First, it's a crime to lie to the FBI. It's a crime to lie to Congress, too, but there is a practical difference between people in the Kavanaugh case issuing written statements about their versions of events and actually sitting down with human FBI special agents.
And second, because the FBI might hear from, and ask questions of, people who so far have only spoken out on paper. Special agents might talk in more detail with bystanders and witnesses and glean details from them that aren't yet in the public eye.
So although Grassley and Kavanaugh are correct that the FBI might serve only as a gold-plated transcription service in this case, the completeness of those transcripts might exceed the body of evidence that now exists — and it would be evidence obtained from witnesses who could be prosecuted if they lied to the feds.
That leads to the third important point in all the discussion about an FBI investigation: the politics. Democrats and outside groups want whatever evidence the Judiciary Committee or the Senate considers to have the imprimatur of the world's premier law enforcement agency.
An interview given to the FBI by Kavanaugh's boyhood friend Mark Judge, for example — whom Ford has accused of being a bystander to sexual assault — would have much greater political heft than the written statement he has released on his own.
Earlier on Friday, the committee voted along party lines to defeat a Democratic motion to attempt to subpoena Judge to testify before the panel.
The case made by Democrats and outside groups goes beyond Judge. They also want interviews with other accusers and witnesses in the case, some of whom have already said they want to talk with investigators.
One big question after the committee vote on Friday afternoon was, if the FBI does get involved, who might it interview and who might it exclude.
What about Senate investigators and Kavanaugh's background checks?
Many Republicans have been arguing that the call for an FBI investigation is a transparent bid to continue delaying Kavanaugh's nomination. The Senate already has been reviewing his case for weeks.
There's no way to know how much more time it might require for the FBI to interview all the people now involved with the Kavanaugh case. Some of them are spread around the country.
Moreover, Grassley has said, the Judiciary Committee also already has federal investigators detailed to help it talk with people involved — they just come from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
These ATF and ICE investigators, however, so far apparently haven't spoken to Judge or other people directly connected with the allegations made by Ford and the other women.
The committee's staffers and investigators have been dealing with other allegations, according to transcripts released by the Judiciary panel, including ones they and Kavanaugh have concluded were false.
And the FBI has conducted background checks into Kavanaugh in the past, as he and Judiciary Committee Republicans pointed out several times on Thursday.
If the bureau didn't find anything that disqualified him for his executive branch positions or his current seat on the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals, what difference, they ask, would a new inquiry make?
One difference is what the people involved are willing to say now.
Ford says she didn't talk with anyone about her alleged assault at the time it happened in 1982, including in the 1990s at the time the FBI might have looked into Kavanaugh's background so he could join the Justice Department, or in the early 2000s when he worked for then-President George W. Bush.
What Democrats and some outside groups want is to see what the FBI might come up with if it looked into Kavanaugh today, with everything that has happened in the past month.
So far, Trump has declined the request of Democrats to order another FBI investigation. Kavanaugh has said he will not ask the White House to request one, and Grassley argued that one wasn't necessary.
What most Republicans say is that the due diligence on Kavanaugh is complete and now that the Judiciary Committee has voted to recommend him to the full Senate, the full chamber must decide.
The Democrats do not want K on the Court until some time after the elections, if it is unavoidable, that is. They don’t want him able to be the fifth vote on whatever it is they have planned for the elections.
It’s not the way to go. The “investigation” should have been done after the “mass rape.” No one went to the police.
NO ONE went to the hospital after being forcibly penetrated by multiple men. Why am I the only one saying this? You have my permission to repeat my idea.
Forcible penetration tears tissue. It sometimes leads to pregnancy. The victim needs to go to the hospital. She didn’t. Shout this from the rooftops!
Yup.
A week from now the FBI will still be trying to find its pants.
Ok. We’re trusting the FBI to not find him guilty...why?
I’m so discouraged. I was happy yesterday, but in my opinion, Trump has just unnecessarily handed the victory back to the Dems. This will prevent Kavanaugh from being seated for the next session.
“First, it’s a crime to lie to the FBI. It’s a crime to lie to Congress, too”
Que the tape to where Hillary is cackling.
The FBI must have reviewed his time in high school and college.....multiple times. All about delay. Vote him in. If they find something worthwhile, they can impeach. Go ahead, libtards.
It’s really simple. If McConnell has 50 yes votes, he will proceed now. Flake has created unnecesary pressure for Collins and Murkowski to ask for more delay, but that’s where we are.
You are thinking logically
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Hey, they’ll find nothing on the Judge but a whole bunch of stuff on her.
Mark Judge looks like a weak link to me. He has had alcohol and substance abuse problems, depression, etc. What would happen if the Lefty mob made his life really miserable? I don’t think he would handle it well at all, and with his predisposition to self-destructive behavior who knows what could happen. People have committed suicide over this sort of thing and I wouldn’t put it past the Left to then use that as some sort of an admission of guilt. It would certainly cloud the process, you can’t deny that. I think by the end of this it is entirely possible that Sen. Flake will have blood on his hands for all of his waffling.
That is what I was thinking. Interview the four parties involved over the weekend. Then the FBI turns in the 302 forms to the committee. The FBI doesn’t do analysis and pull the reports together. They give you the evidence they collected and in this case it won’t be much other than she said, THEY said.
The ensuing problem is the democrats will immediately scream this was a rushed investigation and demand one taking weeks and in the meantime will trot out forty-two more women making outrageous claims and non of them verifiable, but they must be investigated will be the cry.
McConnell should do the weekend investigation, have the FBI turn over the 302 forms and say we are done here and we are voting.
F.I.B. = Democrats.
Bottom line is that this is stupid
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Or well beyond stupid passing into moronic.
Even if the FBI did investigate and exonerate BK above all doubt, Flake, and the other squishes would still vote no or demand an extension for some other reason to mollify their Dem pals and to not get excluded from lucrative consulting/speechifying later or from all those DC expensive wine, cheese, and crab parties and galas
Because the charges are preposterous.
Hold them to that.
That is one of the core issues here. You give them what they ask for, even though it’s a ludicrous request, and then they’ll ask for something else.
Will the FBI find his spine?
For now, I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt, they’ll hold and that this is more a response to the unexpected support that Ford got yesterday.
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