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ROBERT E. LEE: OUR GREATEST GENERAL?

Posted on 06/22/2018 11:46:12 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET

That was according to my 8th grade history teacher-retired military. The only one who came close was MacArthur. That brings up the politics of the left. If it is true that Lee was a great General isn't it at least worth acknowledging? This tearing down of statues should stop. Educated persons should acknowledge the truth. It's the left that's the intelligent ones as they would have us believe. I see no conservatives standing up for this truth. The Senate GOP candidate in Virginia should start an 'intellectual' conversation on Lee and let the left react. Don't wait for a baiting reporter to to knee-jerk him into a quick response that they can interpret their own way.


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KEYWORDS: dixie; militaryhistory; robertelee
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To: stormer
He was the military commander of an insurrectionist faction that took up arms against the United States of America.

You mean like that other General from Virginia who took up arms against the United Kingdom?

101 posted on 06/22/2018 1:10:55 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Dog

According to Joshua Chamberlain.


102 posted on 06/22/2018 1:11:30 PM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
Talented, may have meant well, was a man of decency and character — but he picked the wrong cause.

The right to independence and the defense of one's people is not the wrong cause. The wrong cause is sending armies to attack people because you want to control them and their land.

103 posted on 06/22/2018 1:12:12 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DIRTYSECRET

And MacArthur was absolutely horrific, probably one of the worst generals we ever had.


104 posted on 06/22/2018 1:12:26 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: Freedom4US

Lee’s remaining slaves at Arlington were freed when the war ended. amazing that Grant even had slaves.

The USA was founded and the Constitution ratified only because the southern STATES were assured that they could continue to own slaves.

Abolitionists forced the war and let loose a scourge that plagues the nation to this day.

Interestingly enough, the black population has held steady at 13% since the late 1700’s.

With all of the abortion going, on the black population should be dwindling one or two points every generation, but the communists have figured out a way to subsidize out of control reproduction by the lowest IQ element, stealing money from taxpayers and giving it away in exchange for votes since the 1960’s nearly 60 years now.

That percentage would be down to less than 10% and still falling if not for the American Communists.


105 posted on 06/22/2018 1:12:51 PM PDT by Rome2000 (SMASH THE CPUSA-SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS-CLOSE ALL MOSQUES-GOD WITH US)
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To: outofsalt
Virginia, which Lee considered his home and country, along with the upper States of the South, did not secede until President Lincoln began preparations to invade those lower Southern States.

Which did not happen until after the South had begun the war at Fort Sumter.

Those lower States wanted freedom from the high tariffs the North charged for raw materials. The lower states did not invade the North but tried to expel the Federalist forces.

Tariffs had virtually nothing to do with it. Defense of slavery was the most important reason for the Southern actions by a large margin.

Slavery ended peacefully in many other countries...

Other countries did not have regions willing to launch a bloody and protracted rebellion to protect their slaves.

106 posted on 06/22/2018 1:13:23 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: jmacusa
You can't accept the fact that two slave owning nations fought a war of independence with the dictator faction winning.

If Opposition to slavery was an issue, Lincoln wouldn't have called for an amendment to make it permanent.

108 posted on 06/22/2018 1:14:21 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Pete Dovgan
p07

Winfield Scott captured Santa Anna's leg. And kept it.

109 posted on 06/22/2018 1:14:26 PM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: jmacusa
Eishenhower was an equally worse field commander than Lee was.

Like most commanders of armies, Lee was not not primarily a "field" commander (neither was Eisenhower). He would plan the campaign and leave it to "field commanders" to execute the actual battle. For example, Lee made the decision to divide his army and send Jackson around to flank the Federals at Chancellorsville. How he got there and what he did there was left to Jackson. Lee was constantly having to plan how to attack the enemy while not letting them over-run Richmond (Lee did not think Richmond should be the Confederate Capitol). When one looks at how many times Lee successfully divided his forces, he seems to be an audacious commander. Much of the time, with limited resources, it was all he could do.

110 posted on 06/22/2018 1:15:20 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte (Time to get the US out of the UN and the UN out of the US!)
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To: jmacusa

Freer. Also the worst of what happened in the 20th century would probably have never happened.


111 posted on 06/22/2018 1:15:41 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Lagmeister
It is the head to head Grant-Lee Overland Campaign I refer to whereupon Grant (as a butcher) simply drove his men in a battle of attrition at Lee - regardless of casualties - knowing Lee could ill afford major losses. Grant had almost twice the casualties of Lee at the Wilderness and Spotsylvania... and (basis some reports) 7,000 casualties in twenty minutes at Cold Harbor.

Let me ask you this. If the situation was reversed, do you think that Lee would have hesitated for a moment to use the same tactics Grant did if he thought they would bring victory?

112 posted on 06/22/2018 1:15:44 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: miss marmelstein
I don’t bandy books with somebody who can’t spell “dog” right.

Nor read them apparently.

113 posted on 06/22/2018 1:16:32 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DiogenesLamp

I admire Stonewall Jackson for imparting literacy and the teaching of Scripture to slaves in Sunday school - in secret. Jackson was both a product of his time and yet ahead of his time.

But still, I don’t share any Confederate sympathies. Doesn’t mean the “Unionists” were all angels. But their cause was righteous. And I believe it was in the sight of Almighty God.


114 posted on 06/22/2018 1:16:35 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: Sans-Culotte

Hmmm...did they? My family were New York City copperheads and one wrote a letter trying to get out of the Union Army. New York City was practically a Confederate stronghold! And of course you know about the draft riots there.


115 posted on 06/22/2018 1:17:04 PM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
The South had a constitutional right and path to secede.

Ah if they had only taken it.

116 posted on 06/22/2018 1:17:17 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DesertRhino
Lot easier to win when you have four times the manpower and resources to call upon.

In an even fight, they would have lost the whole thing.

117 posted on 06/22/2018 1:17:54 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DoodleDawg

Says you!


118 posted on 06/22/2018 1:18:10 PM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: Snickering Hound

https://youtu.be/68qSMDEvESU


119 posted on 06/22/2018 1:18:12 PM PDT by CJ Wolf (Free)
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To: Lagmeister

“7,000 casualties in twenty minutes at Cold Harbor”
That was out of an assault mounted by three corps (about 36-40,000 men.) Lee lost 7,000 casualties assaulting Cemetery Ridge at Gettysburg out of an attack force of 1 division and two additional brigades (about 12-13000 men). Grant is called a butcher for the assault at Cold Harbor. What does that make Lee.


120 posted on 06/22/2018 1:18:28 PM PDT by Bull Snipe
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