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The Ultimate John Kennedy Assassination Theory [Updated]
Janitor's view ^ | May 29, 2018 | Reasonmclucus

Posted on 05/29/2018 8:33:59 AM PDT by kathsua

For decades the debate over who killed President John F. Kennedy has involved one group who claims Lee Harvey Oswald did it and another blaming the CIA. They continue to ignore the possibility both claims are correct. The CIA is a spy organization. Some of its agents masquerade as supporters of the enemy so they can get inside enemy organizations.

[A few hours after posting on this subject I thought of a major reason why many of us believe Oswald might have been working for someone else instead of acting on his own. I'll add it as a post script.]

Oswald could easily have been such a covert agent. If so he would have been a logical choice to kill Kennedy. The CIA might have hoped Oswald's apparent support for Cuban President Fidel Castro would cause public opinion to demand retaliation against Castro. Oswald might have planned "to give into" expected intensive interrogation and say the Cuban government had told him to shoot Kennedy.

I don't have any information that Oswald was or wasn't associated with the CIA. Of course the CIA would never admit if he was with the CIA. His previous flirtations with Russia and Cuba might have been efforts to gain information for the CIA. The communists lack of interest in him could have indicated they were suspicious of his motives.

I have always been troubled by the fact that someone with Oswald's background was allowed to be where he was on that fateful day. The previous school year I had done a research paper on the Secret Service. My research indicated that the Secret Service would normally have prevented someone like Oswald from being in a building along the motorcade route.

One fact that wasn't known to the public at the time was that one of the last actions taken by the CIA's predecessor, the OSS, was the killing of General George Patton.

I have no interest in pursuing this theory further I'll leave that decision up to those who are more familiar with the incident than I am.

P.S. We get our beliefs about subjects such as killers from related historical events and from fiction events in television shows and movies. The assassination of John Kennedy didn't fit the pattern of other presidential assassinations and assassination attempts. Presidents Abraham Lincoln, James Garfield and William McKinley were all killed at short range. President Ronald Reagan was shot at short range. Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme tried to shoot President Gerald Ford at close range. The Puerto Ricans who attempted to shoot their way into President Harry Truman's residence wanted to get close enough to kill him.

The assassination of Kennedy fits the pattern of the assassination of Dr. Martin Luther King who was shot by paid killer James Earl Ray from concealment at a distance with a rifle. Oswald shot Kennedy from concealment at a distance with a rifle. On television and in movies professional killers. generally fire at their intended victims from concealment at a distance with a rifle

Typical presidential assassins seem to want people to know what they have done. John Wilkes Booth killed Abraham Lincoln in front of people attending a play. Professional killers usually want to get away with their crimes so they try to avoid being identified


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; History; Politics
KEYWORDS: assassin; cia; jfk; johnkennedy; kennedy; leeharveyoswald
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To: Flick Lives

GHW Bush was head of a growing oil company in Houston at the time of the assassination. He hadn’t even run for Congress yet, and had spent the previous decade in West Texas. He failed to win a ‘64 Congressional seat running as a strong Goldwater supporter.


61 posted on 05/29/2018 9:52:07 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: The Truth Will Make You Free
Read Disinformation by Pacepa, the former head of Romania’s Intelligence Bureau, the highest level Soviet spy who defected to the West. He says Oswald was programmed to assassinate so well he couldn’t be turned off. Immediately after JFK was killed the Soviets began a disinformation campaign blaming the CIA. This lie shifted blame away from the Soviets and weakened the perception of the CIA, an intelligence 2-fer.

So Jack Ruby was also a programmed Soviet assassin?

He also claims Oswald was the source that gave the Soviets the flying height of the U-2 spy planes. This critical information led to the downing of one of them and capture of the pilot.

Because Soviet radar couldn't measure height?

62 posted on 05/29/2018 9:56:21 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: painter

“Kennedy was shot TWICE. That was on purpose!”

Oswald was a bad shot.

He missed Jackie three times.


63 posted on 05/29/2018 9:56:30 AM PDT by Blue House Sue
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To: bmwcyle

Yes, he was with high probability the Patsy. He wasn’t bright enough to pull it off himself. He had influences.

Some of the recently declassified documents pin Oswald as hanging around CIA types. We also know GHWB was in Dallas the day of the murder. We also know GHWB was CIA. We can be reasonably suspicious there are some connections.


64 posted on 05/29/2018 9:57:54 AM PDT by Hostage (Article V)
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To: kathsua
I have always been troubled by the fact that someone with Oswald's background was allowed to be where he was on that fateful day.

Seriously? On what basis would you have kooks rounded up when the President drives through town?

65 posted on 05/29/2018 10:02:19 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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From link below:

The assassination of John F. Kennedy on November 22, 1963 has spurred numerous conspiracy theories, which include accusations of involvement of the CIA, the Mafia, sitting Vice President Lyndon B. Johnson, Cuban Prime Minister Fidel Castro, the KGB, or even some combination thereof. Some conspiracy theories further claim that the United States federal government covered up crucial information in the aftermath of the assassination.[1] Former Los Angeles District Attorney Vincent Bugliosi estimated that a total of 42 groups, 82 assassins, and 214 people had been accused at one time or another in various conspiracy scenarios.

[I think Soupy Sales killed JFK.]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy_assassination_conspiracy_theories


66 posted on 05/29/2018 10:02:41 AM PDT by donaldo
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To: wbarmy
I was stationed in Germany and heard quite a few of the older soldiers talking about Patton getting the Wermacht to agree to assist in attacking Russia. Equipment had been prepared and units organized because Patton believed that the next step was to take out the USSR before it cold attack the US.

Patton may have wished for an attack on Russia, but that could never have happened, and the US would never have acted on such a plan. All the Army would have needed to do to stop such a thing was relieve him of command (which they did).

67 posted on 05/29/2018 10:03:01 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte (Time to get the US out of the UN and the UN out of the US!)
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To: Blue House Sue
It is much less complicated than that. The only theory that makes sense, is that Oswald was gay and was obsessed with JFK. In order to have a homosexual relationship with JFK, Oswald knew that he had to get rid of Jackie. On the day of the ‘assassination,’ Oswald was aiming a Jackie, but missed. It was quite an ironic ordeal for Mr. Oswald.

I hope this is sarcasm. (I can't tell anymore.) If so, well done.

68 posted on 05/29/2018 10:03:52 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Vaquero

There’s a photograph of GHWB in Dallas on that day as well.

Johnson’s admin is when the cabal shifted gears.


69 posted on 05/29/2018 10:04:50 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: Hostage
Some of the recently declassified documents pin Oswald as hanging around CIA types. We also know GHWB was in Dallas the day of the murder. We also know GHWB was CIA. We can be reasonably suspicious there are some connections.

GHW Bush was the president of the Zapata Petroleum Company in 63' and not about to take a pay cut to be a CIA drone.

70 posted on 05/29/2018 10:10:23 AM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: kathsua

There is no theory to the JFK assignation, there is only facts. And the facts are that Lee Harvey Oswald, using a mail order bolt action rifle, acted alone.


71 posted on 05/29/2018 10:10:39 AM PDT by Phlap (REDNECK@LIBARTS.EDU)
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To: Chauncey Gardiner

Every Marine is first and foremost a rifleman.


72 posted on 05/29/2018 10:16:23 AM PDT by Phlap (REDNECK@LIBARTS.EDU)
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To: kathsua

No coincidence that the Oswalds were living in the home of a CIA operatives, the Paines), either...

No coincidence that the very same Michael Paine had secured Lee Oswald his new job at the Texas School Book Depository 4 weeks prior to Kennedy’s visit to Dallas.

Or that Ruth Paine brought Marina Oswald to live in her home so that she could learn the Russian language from Oswald. Actually, Ruth Paine already spoke Russian and had taught Russian at a local school in Dallas.

CIA operative George DeMohrenschildt had introduced LHO to Michael and Ruth Paine at a party given by Volkmar Schmidt, an employee of the Magnolia Oil Company.


73 posted on 05/29/2018 10:19:30 AM PDT by Beautiful_Gracious_Skies
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To: Snickering Hound

CIA are often embedded in corporate organizations.

CIA also is closely tied to big banks and especially central banks and members thereof.


74 posted on 05/29/2018 10:22:04 AM PDT by Hostage (Article V)
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To: Phlap
Every Marine is first and foremost a rifleman.

Under 100yds and Oswald was a good shot even by Marine standards no matter what that garbage Oliver Stone movie says.

And he still missed once.

75 posted on 05/29/2018 10:23:07 AM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: Hostage
CIA are often embedded in corporate organizations.

Tinfoil hat stuff.

Bush was Director of the CIA for less than a year at the end of the Ford administration.

After Bush faceplanted in his Senate run in Texas in 70', he was always lurking around the Nixon Whitehouse with his hat out looking for work.

76 posted on 05/29/2018 10:26:20 AM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: cgbg
Oswald certainly put on an appearance of being a Communist true believer. Perhaps it was stupidity on the part of State Department officials to let this professed Communist, and a military deserter, married to the daughter of an NKVD officer, back into the country. But it probably was not.

As to the Soviet shoot down of the U-2, even if Oswald gave them critical information, it was still the Soviets, not the CIA, that committed the attack.

77 posted on 05/29/2018 10:38:28 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: dfwgator
It was Mr. Plumb in the bedroom with the candlestick.

Get a clue.

It was Col Mustard...

78 posted on 05/29/2018 10:42:29 AM PDT by newfreep ("INSIDE EVERY PROGRESSIVE IS A TOTALITARIAN SCREAMING TO GET OUT" @HOROWITZ39, DAVID HOROWITZ)
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To: kathsua

From the look on Oswald’s face, I suspected he and Ruby might have known each other.


79 posted on 05/29/2018 10:43:22 AM PDT by TBP (Progressives lack compassion and tolerance. Their self-aggrandizement is all that matters.)
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To: Snickering Hound

> “Tinfoil hat stuff.”

Really? What does Stefan Halper have to say about that?

I posted there are ‘reasonable’ suspicions of connections and yes there are.


80 posted on 05/29/2018 10:50:33 AM PDT by Hostage (Article V)
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