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San Antonio Drops ShotSpotter, System not Cost Effective
Gun Watch ^
| 18 August, 2017
| Dean Weingarten
Posted on 08/22/2017 1:03:27 PM PDT by marktwain
One of the technological fixes that has been attempted is the use of sensors to pinpoint gunshots inside of cities. The theory of the technology is fairly simple. Spread audio sensors throughout the city. Feed the input into a computer system, looking for gunshots. With sophisticated programs, isolate the gunshots from the other noise, and pinpoint their location and time. Ideally, this happens in near real time, to allow police response to gunshots. From ksat.com:
San Antonio - A program intended to help police officers identify where a shooting happens, get there quicker and ultimately cut down on crime has been stripped from the proposed city budget because city leaders said it's not effective.
It cost the city $270,000 to put ShotSpotters on the city's crime-ridden east and west sides, but police Chief William McManus said the program's results don't match up with its hefty price tag.
The experience in San Antonio shows the limitations of such a system. The system has been in place for more than a year. That is the time the system should be most effective. The sensors are fresh and new and have not had time to corroded or broken.
In the period the the system was in place, the police obtained four arrests because of information received from the system. That does not necessarily translate to four convictions. Another article says that the total cost of the system was $378,000 plus $168,000 for officer overtime associated with the program. So the city spent about $136,000 per each arrest.
From expressnews.com:
The four suspects were arrested on charges of discharging a firearm, a Class A misdemeanor, the SAPDs Sgt. Jesse Salame said. One of the suspects also was charged with possession of narcotics.
There was no known shooting victim in any of those four cases, Salame said.
It is easy to see why the Police Chief McManus had questions about the usefulness of the system. While some costs would be spread out over years, the overtime and maintenance costs could conservatively be $75,000 a year per arrest. That would be most of the cost of a full time police officer, to make one misdemeanor arrest where no shooting victim was involved.
The technological costs of systems such as ShotSpotters are likely to go down; but the personnel costs are likely to increase. While the system sounds plausible in theory, in San Antonio it has not been cost effective in practice.
In Connecticut, another Shot Spotter system was reported to have limited effectiveness. From fox61.com in 2013:
Violent criminals are small in number in all communities. Spend the resources on monitoring and apprehending those known individuals, and violent crime will decrease.
Can systems such as ShotSpotters be effective? Technological solutions to crime can be helpful, but there are always countermeasures. Criminals wear gloves to stop leaving fingerprints, or masks to foil cameras. Shots fired inside buildings are difficult to detect; sensors can be destroyed. Wind muffles and distorts sound based systems.
A major problem is the systems are reactive. They only show where an outside gun shot may have occurred. If they report many false positives, the cost of investigating the false positives adds up quickly. They may be helpful in locating crime hot spots; it is likely that those locations are already well known.
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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: banglist; sanantonio; shotspotter; technology; texas; tx
Democrats love technological "solutions" to problems of human nature.
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posted on
08/22/2017 1:03:27 PM PDT
by
marktwain
To: marktwain
These systems appear to suffer degradation on or near the 4th of July, for some reason. Engineers are working on it...
To: marktwain
I don’t know the details, but believe that Omaha PD does think this technology is helpful and effective. One issue is that, for many shots-fired situations, NO ONE in the neighborhood will call police or talk to police about what they know. The technology at least helps the PD to get to the scene sooner.
I would question why San Antonio had $168,000 in overtime costs associated with the system. Seems like just another way to pad the LEO income and pension figures. Do you suppose that they will not have that OT cost, if the shot-spotter system is shut down?
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posted on
08/22/2017 1:09:35 PM PDT
by
NEMDF
To: marktwain
How’s about moving it to South Side Chicago?
If the system is not easily-overwhelmed, that is.
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posted on
08/22/2017 1:12:44 PM PDT
by
SaveFerris
(Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ....)
To: Billthedrill
These systems appear to suffer degradation on or near the 4th of July, for some reason. Engineers are working on it. It probably didn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that these things could likely be defeated with a few well placed firecrackers.
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posted on
08/22/2017 1:13:20 PM PDT
by
DouglasKC
To: SaveFerris
“Hows about moving it to South Side Chicago?”
Dirty little secret; there are police cameras and shot sensing devices all over the south and west sides. None of them has done any good at all.
L
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posted on
08/22/2017 1:15:34 PM PDT
by
Lurker
(President Trump isn't our last chance. President Trump is THEIR last chance.)
To: marktwain
If they put it on eBay maybe Mayor “9-Fingers-Tiny Dancer” Emanuel will bid on it.
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posted on
08/22/2017 1:21:44 PM PDT
by
SERKIT
("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.......)
To: Lurker
Probably so many shots going off can’t localize. It sounds like a war zone.
Can’t wait for the next Tweet by Community Organizer Obama quoting insurrectionist Nelson Mandela!
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posted on
08/22/2017 1:22:04 PM PDT
by
SaveFerris
(Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ....)
To: marktwain
High tech companies sucker incompetent politicians into buying snake oil all the time. Look at London. If they pulled all the cameras and got rid of the camera surveillance bureaucracy and spent the money on more patrol officers it would do more to lower crime than having hundreds of crumpet munchers staring at screens
Then there’s the ridiculous photocop program that doesn’t pay for itself. The list goes on and on.
Microstamping? Lol!
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posted on
08/22/2017 1:27:42 PM PDT
by
Seruzawa
(FABOL - F*** A Bunch Of Liberals)
To: SaveFerris
“It sounds like a war zone.”
It pretty much is one.
L
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posted on
08/22/2017 1:33:20 PM PDT
by
Lurker
(President Trump isn't our last chance. President Trump is THEIR last chance.)
To: marktwain
So if I shoot a rattler the police respond? GMAB.
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posted on
08/22/2017 1:34:34 PM PDT
by
dblshot
(I am John Galt.)
To: marktwain
Ideally, this happens in near real time, to allow police time to respond finish their donut & coffee and donuts.
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posted on
08/22/2017 4:17:23 PM PDT
by
ex91B10
To: marktwain
follow the money...
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posted on
08/22/2017 4:37:10 PM PDT
by
Chode
(You have all of the resources you are going to have. Abandon your illusions and plan accordingly.)
To: dblshot
Only if it’s a DoubleTap!
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posted on
08/22/2017 4:46:17 PM PDT
by
Big Red Badger
(UNSCANABLE in an IDIOCRACY!)
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