Posted on 07/13/2017 7:46:10 PM PDT by TBP
As were going through this scandal of Donald Trump, Im really trying very hard to look at all sides and stay as reasonable as I can. And it is really difficult.
Its very difficult to watch people in the media who have never woken up from their slumber. Theyve never done any soul-searching. They dont understand why Donald Trump won. I mean, the win of Donald Trump really changed my life, because I couldnt figure it out either. So I started doing some soul-searching. What have I missed? Whats happened? What does it mean?
Soul-Searching Truth That soul-searching has led me to the truth.
Its not that Russia was meddling with the election. Its not that people in the country are racist. Its the fact that people in the country are hurting, theyre in real trouble and theyre on their last straw.
Ive talked to people all over the country who are supporting Donald Trump without really wanting to but they dont know what else to do because hes their last hope. They also know if Donald Trump goes away, the left and the media will do the same thing to Mike Pence. You could dig up John F. Kennedy, start his heart again, throw some more meat on his bones and the Democrats would destroy him . . . if he were a Republican candidate. The media would tear him apart if he were Republican. By the way, I dont think JFK would I know JFK wouldnt be welcome in the Democratic Party today, and I dont think Mitch McConnell would accept him because he would be too conservative in todays Republican Party.
Fake News and Team Jerseys Last night, I saw Sebastian Gorka, a low-level guy at the White House, on CNN with Anderson Cooper. Apparently is a guy who just likes to get on and say inflammatory things in the media, and he was the one last night willing to just say anything.
Im watching this, and hearing him say things like, Well, this is just fake news. And Anderson Cooper says, How can this be fake news? This email that were discussing was released by Donald Trump, Jr. We didnt make it up. It came from him. Gorka replies, Its fake news. Its fake news.
I mean, its crazy. And I could see it in Andersons eyes he really didnt understand what the hell is happening?
But is anybody in the media actually going to take the time to figure it out?
You Didnt and Dont Care About the Truth Let me explain it to you, media.
You really didnt care about the Whitewater scandal. You didnt care about that. That was, what, 30 years ago? You kind of cared about it. And there were a few things like Chinagate or Filegate that actually rose to the level of a gate for you.
But the Clinton rape scandals? You say you care about women and oppression of women but you didnt really care about that. You didnt care about Paula Jones. You didnt care about the most powerful man on earth exerting his oppressive white privilege power over Monica Lewinsky, a young, impressionable intern. You didnt care about that.
You didnt care about Sandy Berger after 9/11. You didnt care that he went in and stole documents from the National Archives, that he put them in his socks and underpants and left the archives something that you and I would go to jail for. You didnt care about that story. You didnt care that he got his national security clearance back. But boy, did you care that George Bush gave a speech with a sign that said, Mission accomplished, behind him. Oh, my gosh, that was the biggest scandal on the planet, when an aircraft carrier that went to war with a mission, completed their mission and came home, my gosh, did you care.
You didnt care you still dont care about Van Jones and his organization starting the entire Bush hates black people and lets them die campaign. You didnt care about that. In fact, youve hired Van Jones and welcomed him into your ranks.
You didnt care about Michael Moores integrity or his hateful rhetoric or Cindy Sheehans hateful rhetoric. But, boy oh boy, somebody puts out a campaign piece where they say, Were targeting these districts, and its the most violent, awful rhetoric of all time.
Collusion with Russia? Okay, how about this one: Ted Kennedy, at the height of the Cold War, going over and colluding with Russia. You didnt care about that. How about this one? The Secretary of State going around the law and selling uranium to Russia. You didnt care about that. But, oh my gosh, Donald Trump? Russia?
You used to love Russia. For the last eight years, we only heard about how great Russia and Vladimir Putin were while he was throwing reporters off rooftops! Hes a great guy. But now Donald Trump thinks Putin is a good guy? Oh, the horror!
You didnt care that Americans were being targeted intentionally by the IRS. You didnt care.
You didnt care about Benghazi. You didnt care about the Hillary scandal with all of the emails and all of the secure information that she had to cut and paste to be able to get out of secure, locked rooms. You didnt care about that. But, oh my gosh, have you heard of Valerie Plame? Valerie Plame, oh my gosh, its the greatest tragedy since Ronald Reagan blew up the moon!
You go on and on and on about dangerous weapons and how dangerous weapons will fall into the hands of terrorists and killers. Yet you dont care about the attorney general taking guns and illegally selling them over the border in Fast and Furious. Those guns fell into the hands of someone who killed an American border guard and are being used by terrorists in France but you didnt, and still dont, care about that. Where were the calls for our former attorney general to pay and answer for his crimes and collusion?
Former Vice President Dick Cheney, I mean Darth Vader, he was the worst man ever. He was our father. He was the worst.
Did you hear about all of the no-bid contracts that Dick Cheney gave to Halliburton? Halliburton! Theyre bidding the Death Star. Halliburton, no-bid contracts, Dick Cheney, Star Wars, run for your life!
Lets not mention that Barack Obama was also giving no-bid contracts to Halliburton. Thats okay. But if George Bush ever used the H word, you sure reminded us of the evils of no-bid contracts with Halliburton.
By the way, Hillarys her right-hand woman, Huma Abedin, has deep family ties to the Muslim Brotherhood and some of the most extremist Muslims in the Middle East but thats no big deal. You didnt and dont care about that. And her freaky husband who always has a wiener in his hand also had Hillarys emails, but Im sure hes trustworthy. Lets not make anything out of that. Lets just not talk about it. Because if we get into that, we might have to talk about how Hillary was an actual disciple of Saul Alinsky.
Saul who? Oh, have you seen that new show Better Call Saul? That must be what theyre talking about. Its so funny. Or Obamas ties to Reverend Wright, probably the least radical person in his childhood. Why would you talk about Obamas childhood when Mitt Romney gave some kid a haircut in 1965? How could you possibly bring something up about Barack Obamas childhood when you have something on Mitt Romney from 1965 a haircut, a dog on the roof. I mean, at the time, you could put your dog or your cat or your children in the car without seat belts, practically strap them on the radio antenna or the hood of the car while you were driving down the highway and nobody would have said anything in 1965. But look into the past of Barack Obama? Only a racist or bigot would do that.
Reality Check Heres the thing, media. There are actual things hurting everyday Americans today.
I promise you, everybody is going to get $2,500 back, youre going to save $2,500 on your health care. You touted that and called everybody a bigot and a racist who said the math didnt work. Now, maybe you were ahead of us, using that Common Core math. So, as long as you can show your work, it doesnt matter if the numbers didnt add up. This actually affected people, in a negative way.
You want to tell us about all the people that are going to die if Obamacare gets repealed or replaced? How about the estimated 80,000 who could have lived if Obamacare hadnt been passed? How about all the people that have lost their jobs, lost their health care, havent had a raise since 9/11? You helped promise the lie of Obamacare and sold them down the river into the slavery of government health care because theyre going to save $2,500. The CBO hadnt even scored it yet, but you were sure it was right. Health care has gone up 140 percent, not down and you are still selling the lie.
So maybe you can understand why so many Americans dont trust you, and arent outraged by THIS scandal. Many of us, many who voted for Donald Trump, are outraged, but we know youre actually more afraid of Mike Pence, as Al Franken admitted.
Many of us on the right arent happy about the things Trump does or says. We know he doesnt always tell the truth, but millions of Americans have put up with YOUR lies for decades and you NEVER seem to have a moment of clarity or humility or honesty.
You and academia jam FAIRNESS down our throats. You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
So, as a paid observer of news, culture and people, forgive me for not jumping to defend Donald Jrs actions but MEDIA forgive me for not seeing things the way you do. I understand why one third of the country is so mad and why they look to President Trump as a savior. Its all about righteous indignation. Many of these Americans havent had a raise since 9/11 and are seeing their savings disappear and quite frankly are being raped by the education system. Their culture is being torn apart and you dont seem to care that the biggest corporate greed is coming from the non-profits of education that have billions in endowments, yet theyve all raised tuition at double the speed of health care. Thats another thing you dont care about.
You dont care because you live the life of a protected class. Those defending Trump are defending their lifestyle and trying to feed their families. Your record shows youll lie, ignore, distract and cover for treasonous acts if it fits your agenda for ratings, ideology or just taking the path of least resistance.
Somewhere, listening to my voice, are those Americans who are hurting and know the score. They are actually willing to stop this bickering if only someone on your side would recognize that those who stand for the Constitution arent bigots, arent racists and they dont want to starve children. They will stop this insanity if you would only be truthful, recognize your sins of the past and apologize to the American people.
Is that you Glen ?
Your logic stinks.
Two people running, you trip one, the other wins. You helped the winner.
Two people running you walk away. You helped neither.
Got it now?
You attempts are tedious and self deluding.
It’s not my logic that was faulty. I took you through it step by step. It wasn’t just a binary choice. That is the same logic the RINOs use to keep us “in line” (so they don’t have to do anything for us.)
I swear, some people would support Stalin if he ran as a Republican. Can’t have the Dhimmicraps win, you know.
Would you have supported Nelson Rockefeller?
Why don’t you try dealing with the original subject of the thread and the article that was posted, instead of your personal pique?
All of my responses follow from the original article. They are a commentary about why Glen Beck is wrong, now and during the election where he trashed President Trump. He is wrong about why President Trump was elected and wrong about his supporters’ frame of reference.
You required additional input to understand my point of view but the input all followed from the article. Rather than “pique” I am exhibiting “saintly” patience while not allowing you to frame the conversation around straw-men and logical fallacies.
I attempted to allow you to go in peace by saying that everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Guess the cognitive dissonance got to you.
Who cares what that little worm has to say? He's burnt his bridges... he might as well just announce that he is registering as a democrat. I'll never listen to or read anything he has to say again. He's a cuck. A disgusting little turd. An Obama shoe shine boy.
No, they don’t. If you think Glenn Beck is wrong about what he says here, then you’re probably not a conservative. This is a lucid, comprehensive, scathing takedown of the liberal media.
But you’d rather attack the man personally than discuss the substance of what he says.
No, you’re clearly piqued.
Agreed with his analysis of the media right from the get-go; it was well done. Look back over the responses if you’ve forgotten.
I also addressed in detail the substance of where his analysis is flawed. He does not understand Trump or Trump supporters. Beck postulates from the citadel of his own belief system. Beck is unable to grasp the points of view of of those whose ideas are different and he invents, as you do, caricatures that he can use as straw-men for his arguments.
I pity him because no rational person will forget his excesses and irrationality during this election cycle.
Sorry but I’m not interested in continuing this dialog since it becomes monotonous. I am sorry for Glen Beck but reasoned argument reaches neither Beck nor you.
From his comments:
" Its the fact that people in the country are hurting, theyre in real trouble and theyre on their last straw. Ive talked to people all over the country who are supporting Donald Trump without really wanting to but they dont know what else to do because hes their last hope. They also know if Donald Trump goes away, the left and the media will do the same thing to Mike Pence."
What part of that is not understanding the Trump supporters? They are hurting and they think nobody is listening (except Trump), and that's why they supported him. I think that's pretty much right on target. What do you think the reason is?
Yes, many conservatives supported him because of teh border and tax cuts and repealing 0bamacre (whcih isn't doing too well), but the "average" Trump supporter isn't ideological, isn't a member of a "tribe." He or she is a working person trying to get by and not making it. The immigration views resonate because illegals are taking jobs that could be theirs. They're interested in bringing jobs back (so they can get a well-paying job to support their families), not in the ins and outs of healthcare policy. Just make it affordable.
Do you dispute that analysis?
Beck is unable to grasp the points of view of of those whose ideas are different
Au contraire. Glenn Beck has gone out of his way to talk to and understand people with very different points of view. He talks to a wide range of people -- conservatives of various stripes, progressives, libertarians, atheists, religious people of various kinds -- to understand their views. he may not agree with them, and that' fine, but he's gone out of his way to understand where they'e coming from, to understand them and have them understand him. That's why he's reached out to the likes of Penn Jillette, Riaz Patel, and so many others.
That doesn't mean he doesn't understand the dangers of the left -- I think he understands them better than most. That doesn't mean you can't get along.
I’ll repeat my question:
Would you have supported Nelson Rockefeller?
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