Will the U.S. Preemptively Strike NK?And is a Diplomatic Solution Even Possible at this Point?

IWB ^ | Robert Carbery

[davikkm]

The unpredictable and increasingly dangerous North Korea celebrated the fourth of July by launching its own rocket into the air. But this was far from a firework sent to the sky to celebrate a country’s independence. The North Korean regime has successfully launched its first intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) capable of reaching Alaska but not the mainland.

At least, not yet.

North Korea is a growing threat to the U.S. as Trump and his generals ponder what to do. The latest weapons test caught American military officials off guard as it included a new type of missile fired from a mobile launch site. There is now growing concern that the Trump administration and its group of neoconservative generals are moving closer to taking military action.

General Vincent Brooks, the top American military commander in South Korea, said on Wednesday that the U.S. and South Korea were prepared to go to war with the North if given the order. This preemptive strike would be catastrophic for the peninsula, on which 28,500 U.S. troops are still stationed and where over 10 million South Koreans live in the city of Seoul, only 35 miles from the border.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Well I believe we do have kinetic shootdown.

[HiTech RedNeck]

The problem here is that we cannot create energy. If we are going to need Tunguska writ large, every joule of that energy has to go into lofting the bullet, not counting what is lost in atmosphere.

[Intolerant in NJ]

My guess is they’ll take out the fat little dictator all by himself first - maybe NoKo will get the message.....

[Hugin]

We don’t need an asteroid size object. Even small meteorite can make a big hole, and hardened rods would penetrate deeply before vaporizing. Of course it would have been a lot easier to do when we still had the space shuttle.

[HiTech RedNeck]

You can’t cheat the energy need. Shooting kinetically from space might sound dramatic, but earthly projectiles are quite powerful.

[IamConservative]

I think back to the days of Reagan when he sent a missile right through Gaddafi’s front door. We didn’t hear from him again for years.

Maybe it is time for Kim Jong Un to get a similar demonstration in what precision guided weapons really look like.

[InterceptPoint]

Interestingly, a Congressman guesting on the Martha MacCallum show on Fox who must have been reading our thread while he waited to go on had an interesting recommendation:

HE SUGGESTED THAT WE START SHOOTING DOWN THE NK MISSILES EVERY TIME THEY ARE LAUNCHED.

Our excuse (back to my thinking): We thought the missile was headed for California. Just self-defense.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Maybe our satellites are good enough to see his belt buckle by now.

If it were Israel doing this, we would soon see a car containing the dear leader being Hellfired.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Trump could do worse. Maybe he wants a congressional resolution about this.

[MUDDOG]

That is one way to go.

My concern is, if we just shoot down their missile, we put ourselves in the position of waiting for them to retaliate, so they now have the initiative.

You don’t want to give them a free shot at Seoul. If there’s going to be a war, the only way to save Seoul might be for us to start it with a first strike at NK military installations.

You’re taking a chance no matter what you do. If NK won’t go to war if we shoot down their missile, that’s the way to go.

If shooting down the missile will cause to NK to go to war, then it may be better instead to massively strike them first and not let them have the first strike.

[StormEye]

"Normal diplomatic relations will not work with the little fat dictator.."

Correct. North Korea has no conception of what diplomacy is.
These people do not think like white Westerners.
Talking with them is useless.

[StormEye]

"Install an American puppet in N Korea."

No! Install a South Korean puppet there.
America must not assume any responsibility in overseeing North Korea.

It should go like this:
1)Destroy the military and political leadership first.
Yes, Fat Boy must die.
2)Destroy all missile fabrication and launching sites.
3)Destroy NK's military.
4)Destroy all nuclear reactors and research facilities.
5)Let South Korea march in and take over.
NK is their problem and responsibility.
6)Do not destroy civilian infrastructure if possible.
7)America should not spend a dime rebuilding North Korea,
resettling Korean civilians in America, etc, nation building blah, blah,
Taking care of the people is South Korea's responsibility.

[Molon Labbie]

Them just being able to hit Pearl is enough to think seriously about pre-emption.

[DoodleBob]

I wrote earlier today, that it's vital to remember we are talking about Trump AND Gen Mattis. These gentlemen are professionals not man-children like the prior administration. Before the Trump Administration makes ANY move, they have a plan that is 3-4 steps ahead of the competition, be it CNN or Hillary or North Korea.

While many like to play up Gen Mattis as a war-monger, he is an incredibly well-read individual. He is a strategist AND a warrior.

So, for a moment, imagine the NK Leader eating with his generals. One of them drops dead. A few moments later, another one drops dead. Rinse and repeat over a week. Then, Kim Jong-un wakes from a bad night's sleep to this...

This is almost no different from the military head games Reagan ran around the Soviets in the early 1980s. It was brutally effective, without a shot being fired.

"Sometimes we would send bombers over the North Pole and their radars would click on," recalls Gen. Jack Chain, [a] former Strategic Air Command commander. "Other times fighter-bombers would probe their Asian or European periphery." During peak times, the operation would include several maneuvers in a week. They would come at irregular intervals to make the effect all the more unsettling. Then, as quickly as the unannounced flights began, they would stop, only to begin again a few weeks later.

Another former US official with access to the PSYOP program offered this assessment:

"It really got to them," recalls Dr. William Schneider, [former] undersecretary of state for military assistance and technology, who saw classified "after-action reports" that indicated U.S. flight activity. "They didn't know what it all meant. A squadron would fly straight at Soviet airspace, and other radars would light up and units would go on alert. Then at the last minute the squadron would peel off and return home."

Then there is the issue of "what next" if KJU is toppled. Many people I know who grew up under Soviet rule knew they were being lied to - there was enough Western leakage where they knew what was up. When the Wall fell, they were GENERALLY ready to have a go at a life that is free (but still hard). I don't think that's the case with the poor citizens of NK. Thus we need a plan for winning the peace. THAT, in some ways, is a tougher bridge to cross than how to get the horse's head into KJU's bed.

Yea, if we go psyops, we will still get rhetoric from NK and his people remain under tyranny. However, there will be NO more missile tests (he can take a hint, and I suspect news of how that new guy in DC operates will reach China pretty fast) and NK is now neutralized.

To paraphrase John Lennon, all I am saying, is give Psyops a chance!!

[Molon Labbie]

Agreed, crater the Z with stealth bombers, sortie until there is nothing left.

Anything mechanized in rear echelons take out with cluster munitions.

Then drop leaflets to surrender for the remaining terrified and demoralized NK troops.

Send a carefully but strong crafted message to China that there will be no Chosins this time around.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Gotta grant the glory to God for that: Donald is the cat who can truly toy with the mouse unto its exhaustion.

[JBW1949]

Exactly....

[Brooklyn Attitude]

“If shooting down the missile will cause to NK to go to war, then it may be better instead to massively strike them first and not let them have the first strike.”

Slow down. The last thing we need to do is launch a pre-emptive strike. The Norks have no reason to nuke alaska, hawaii or anything else. Lil Kim is just a fat blowhard who thinks a nuke adds inches to his d*ck.

[McGavin999]

I sincerely hope you are right. The Soviet were at least rational and understood MAD, NoKo is run by a madman

[plain talk]

I wrote earlier today, that it's vital to remember we are talking about Trump AND Gen Mattis.

Yeah yeah yeah. Maybe so. So far it's all just talk and tweets.