[brucedickinson]

you should be able to study anything you like. Race and IQ is like anything else. The temperature of the sun’s interior. The age of the pyramids. Race and IQ. Heck, I remember ethnic humor. It was funny. Now there are plenty of things you can’t say or do, and things you aren’t supposed to even think about. I think about all sorts of things.

[Paladin2]

An excellent objective definition of both Race and IQ would be required before even thinking of a trip down THAT Rabbit Hole...

[SpaceBar]

Lots of fun facts, graphs, and statistics here.

[Albion Wilde]

bump

[Seruzawa]

Just remember that the testing that makes whites feel so superior to blacks in turn proves that whites are inferior to Asians. Two edged swords can be a bytch.

[Rockingham]

The environmental and cultural components of intelligence can be even more provocative in that they implicate behavior and choices that are voluntary and preferred, such as: family cohesion; diet; drug use; child care and discipline; and the preference for or aversion to education.

[MtnClimber]

You can do a yahoo search for “average IO by country” and get much data. The USA is not as high as you think, but we have a high population that is originally from countries with very low scores.

[MUDDOG]

If you’re out at first by ten steps, you don’t need an instant replay.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

The evidence doesn’t justify a verdict one way or the other.

In fact, the evidence is overwhelming that intelligence is a genetic trait, as verified by huge numbers of scientific studies. I do not believe that this is disputed by anyone who is not a scientist in this field. We also learn that education and nutrition only result in minor improvements.

[American in Israel]

It was Spiritual wisdom that built America not race or IQ.

[American in Israel]

It was Spiritual wisdom that built America not race or IQ.

[sargon]

I read that entire NR article, and thought that it was balanced...

[wbarmy]

the concept of what it is to be intelligent handily distracts us from a guilty but primal elevation of the particular kind of intelligence Gardner classifies as “logical-mathematical” — i.e., what all of us deep down think of as “real” intelligence.

After reading and thinking about both articles, I feel this line above is the distinguishing factor from the first article. The author wants to create different "IQ"s so that even though you might not be high IQ in the “logical-mathematical” category, you still are high in the other "IQ"s, like dancing or singing.

Nice, but dancers and singers do not do so well in keeping the streets operable and the power plant running, and the medical tests from coming back negative. The real world doesn't give a hoot if you can dance or sing or throw a basketball, all it cares about is if you can keep the food growing or the fire burning. And that takes the “logical-mathematical” category type of IQ.

[Brooklyn Attitude]

The author of the article seems to deliberately shy away from accepting the genetic basis of IQ differences between races. This has been extensively studied and found that intelligence is about 50-80% heritable. Few scientists argue that genes do not play a very large role and virtually none deny that substantial IQ differences exist between the races. The role of environment has been examined and found to have a minimal effect.

Discussions of IQ differences are important because you can’t solve a problem if you dont understand the cause. It would also largely discredit the scapegoating of white racism as the cause of poor black outcomes.

[abclily]

IQ tests are vocabulary tests. Since certain students are held at a lower standard and not expected to learn, their IQ scores suffer. Teachers of a certain race don’t want their students ‘acting white’ by being interested in academics.

[headsonpikes]

“All comparisons are invidious.”

“All comparisons are odious.”

Take your pick.

[TigersEye]

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[Ohioan]

I would respectfully suggest that most of the writer's doubts that go to the genetic determinant in human intelligence flow from a confusion of parallel effects with foundational cause & effect. The pretense that people are interchangeable, and products of their social environment, is rooted in efforts to rationalize social engineering. While for over two centuries it has appealed to Jacobins & Marxists, who postulate the notion that you can perfect people by controlling and engineering their social environment, the actual evidence against the supposition is overwhelming.

Equally important, is the fact that no one benefits from the pretense that people have the same potentials. Virtually every healthy person has some potential--to be sure--but they do not have the same potential. What egalitarian make-believe does is encourage people to blame others for their failures, rather than determine what aptitudes they actually do have, and can develop for a better future.

There is nothing altruistic about egalitarian make-believe. It is the source of much of the misery in the world--a tool for demagogues, not a key to a better future.