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Could you survive three AR15 rounds to the chest?
Am Shooting Journal ^ | 3/16/2017 | J Hines

Posted on 03/16/2017 6:49:34 AM PDT by w1n1

A gun specialist and a trauma specialist gives us an answer by reproducing a scene from the 1986 war film, Platoon. With the assistance of a fast camera, we will get a good idea on the degree of harm. The M16 slug 5.56 (.223) is known for its “tumble” which is essentially what causes the harm.

Nonetheless, while most lead center slugs do this after they enter the tissue, the M16's speed also adds to the injuries. From a distance of 30 feet, what will happen to the ballistic gel mannequin? What will be the impact to the imperative organs? Let's see the full footage here!


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KEYWORDS: ar15; m16; platoon
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1 posted on 03/16/2017 6:49:34 AM PDT by w1n1
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To: w1n1

Could you survive three AR15 rounds to the chest?

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No. Next question.


2 posted on 03/16/2017 6:51:53 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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To: w1n1

Given their weight, velocity, and kinetic energy displacement when it hits something, and considering what all that does to a human body, I would give it a resounding “no.”


3 posted on 03/16/2017 6:53:53 AM PDT by jbrown7.62x39 (Holy crap. We really are gonna MAGA!! What a great time to be alive!)
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To: w1n1
Could you survive three AR15 rounds to the chest?

Are you looking for volunteers ?

4 posted on 03/16/2017 6:56:01 AM PDT by Popman
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To: w1n1

From the first Ar-15, 1 in 14 twist, no. one will do the job.
Later 1 in 12 twist, no.
Late 1 in 9 twist, good question. Europeans got the bad idea that a fragmenting bullet was bad.

One thing I never understood about the ban on soft nose Dum-Dum bullets, in the military you can burn the enemy, blow him to pieces, hack him to pieces, run over him with a tank tread, but you can’t shoot him with a soft nosed bullet as it is “inhumane”.


5 posted on 03/16/2017 6:57:51 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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From what I’ve been hearing, the 5.56 wasn’t designed to kill. It was designed to wound.
That way, it would make the enemy forces have to use personnel to extract the wounded from the field -meaning less people available for the fight.


6 posted on 03/16/2017 6:57:55 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Vote for your guns!)
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That way, it would make the enemy forces have to use personnel to extract the wounded from the field -meaning less people available for the fight.

That did not always work.

Sometimes the NVA/VC would bury their wounded.

7 posted on 03/16/2017 7:03:29 AM PDT by BwanaNdege ("The church ... is not the master or the servant of the state, but the conscience" - Luther)
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It does not make a clean cut. So, no, you are not likely to live. That is unless the enemy is a lousy shot.


8 posted on 03/16/2017 7:05:00 AM PDT by jr3000
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To: BwanaNdege

Well, I didn’t say that it would work. That was just the concept behind the 5.56 cartridge.
But as to the original question of the thread, three to the chest would likely be fatal.


9 posted on 03/16/2017 7:07:17 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Vote for your guns!)
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If unattended, they would eventually die of a long miserable death. Unless the enemy is N. Korea or some other country who don’t care about human suffering. In which case, they would just be human shields.


10 posted on 03/16/2017 7:10:23 AM PDT by jr3000
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To: w1n1

Smithsonian video concludes...so it just wasn’t Hollywood fiction. Ya think?? LOL...what idiots.


11 posted on 03/16/2017 7:12:00 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (WKU 2016 Boca Raton Bowl Champions)
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To: RandallFlagg

The original 55 grain bullet out of a 20 inch barrel was very lethal at close range (under 100 yards) but would wound at a distance.


12 posted on 03/16/2017 7:17:45 AM PDT by MCF (If my home can't be my Castle, then it will be my Alamo.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Yep. The Geneva Convention/Law of Armed Conflict creates strange situations.


13 posted on 03/16/2017 7:24:06 AM PDT by afsnco (18 of 20 in AF JAG)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
One thing I never understood about the ban on soft nose Dum-Dum bullets, in the military you can burn the enemy, blow him to pieces, hack him to pieces, run over him with a tank tread, but you can’t shoot him with a soft nosed bullet as it is “inhumane”.

According to the bits of trivia I see when I play Battlefield 1, the Germans protested the American use of shotguns in WWI. They said the weapons were too devastating.

14 posted on 03/16/2017 7:25:33 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (An' Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool - you bet that Tommy sees! - Kipling)
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To: RandallFlagg
But as to the original question of the thread, three to the chest would likely be fatal.

Agreed!

I did have a friend who took 5 AK rounds in the back & survived.

15 posted on 03/16/2017 7:30:21 AM PDT by BwanaNdege ("The church ... is not the master or the servant of the state, but the conscience" - Luther)
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To: jr3000

My brother-in-law was in Korea when the Chinese invaded. The Chinese had so many excess people they thought nothing of throwing massive waves of Chinese against the American lines.
The first wave had rifles. The second had what ever they could find, spears, rocks, unarmed ones expected to pick up rifles from those ahead who had just been shot.

There is a scene in ZULU DAWN which reflects this. As you look down on the battle the Zulus keep running toward the British line. Those in front fall, those behind keep coming, and gaining ground till they roll over the British forces.


16 posted on 03/16/2017 7:32:56 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: w1n1
LaVoy Finicum autopsy report.

This wasn't a movie. Shot 3 times at close range. Once in the front shoulder and twice in the back by 2 different shooters. He didnt make it.

17 posted on 03/16/2017 7:34:05 AM PDT by Delta 21 (The minority demands NOTHING !)
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To: RandallFlagg
That way, it would make the enemy forces have to use personnel to extract the wounded from the field -meaning less people available for the fight.

Unless the insurgents just abandon their wounded, in the expectation that WE will take care of them.

18 posted on 03/16/2017 7:39:05 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Big government is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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To: w1n1
Interesting.

Gel shows the wound but a human has bones, hard and soft tissue and dense organs so the actual path of a projectile is inexplicably hard to predict.

Secondly I thought the 5.56 'tumble' has been proven a myth?

19 posted on 03/16/2017 8:03:38 AM PDT by djone (Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain - and most fools do.)
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To: w1n1

I hope so.


20 posted on 03/16/2017 8:18:16 AM PDT by onedoug
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