Posted on 02/10/2017 8:35:30 AM PST by Jacquerie
The John Birch Society (JBS) can thank itself for this post. A few days ago, the JBS unintentionally put a smile on my face when I attempted to comment on a column at their website. See the saved screenshot below.
In response to a piece at The New American (TNA), Wyoming and Arkansas Reject Call for Convention of States Con-Con, I was prevented from posting to the comment section. Since it never went to moderation, the content of my comment was irrelevant. I wondered, how many other COS supporters are banned as well? Hmmm, maybe Mark Meckler, Michael Farris, and Robert Natelson? Hey, I can dream, and if they are persona-non-grata, I am in very good company. Thanks, JBS!
Background. Once again, the JBS distorts history. Its poor research and repetition of historical misreads are designed to prevent the return of free government to America. Like Publius Huldah, the JBS fantasizes that nefarious forces and global elites are the secret helmsmen of the Convention of States (COS) movement. Check out the TNA 2014 column that asserts certain far-left groups support an Article V state amendments convention. I visited a couple of their websites and found no backing for Article V. On the other hand, since over the last hundred years we’ve witnessed the unimpeded ascendency of Leftist social justice, there is every reason for progressives to oppose a convention. Read Robert Natelson’s scholarly research on the efforts of Democrats and their academic operatives to corrupt the Article V convention process and confuse the public.
Distortions & Misreads. 1. Federal Farmer. The webpage began with an appeal from Federal Farmer, aka Melancton Smith
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Article V ping!
What a very special snowflake you are, Rodney.
#butthurt
Thank you for sharing your feelings.
FWIW I trust JBS more than rodney. If JBS thinks there’s something fishy about the con-con movement, then there probably is.
The John Birch Society chooses to back “nullification”
as their preferred remedy.
I am still behind a Convention Of States.
I’d ban Rodney, too. He insists on conflating a Constitutional Convention with the Convention of the States and for that kind of asshattery he deserves his ban.
I'm against a Constitutional Convention. The reasons against are sound from the JBS.
Only thing is, the COS is an Amendments Convention. Which there is every reason to be for it.
The latest crap of the 9th Circus is a good example, as one of the amendments of Amendments Convention is to limit the power of the Federal Judiciary - like limiting # of terms.
Sure glad the Convention of States is for an Amendments Convention.
The JBS objection to an article 5 convention is easy to understand: There is nothing wrong with the Constitution as written, the problem is with men who refuse to obey it.
We don’t need to change the Constitution as written, we need to enforce the Constitution as written. The problem is not with the law, it is with the lawyers
and Responses To Convention Of States Opposition
Lots of good information. I was initially a skeptic but am all in now for an Article V Convention of States.
<>He insists on conflating a Constitutional Convention with the Convention of the States and for that kind of asshattery he deserves his ban.<>
Nonsense. I wrote:
“A favorite tactic of COS opponents is to equate the general convention of 1787 with a future amendments convention. In actuality, continued JBS opposition to an amendments convention, in which discreet problems and shortcomings in our governing form are addressed, serves to eventually guarantee what everyone opposes, a general convention necessary to deal with outrages too numerous to be handled at an amendments convention.”
“Since the state amendments convention portion of Article V is as much a part of the Constitution as any other clause, it has always struck me as odd why Article V opponents attack the foundations of the Constitution they purport to defend.”
I am very much in favor of a balanced budget amendment and term limits.
Problem is DC is an absolute snakepit. There aren’t more than 10 members of congress I would trust to be in the same room with the US constitution holding a pen. Most state houses are infested as well. Fox/henhouse. Whoever decided to put the lawyers in charge of the country screwed up bigly.
A laudable goal. How do you propose we accomplish it?
Can any of you folks give me quick advice on writing testimony for a state senate hearing? Tomorrow the Texas Senate has the Article V resolution on its agenda. I received the notice to attend from my local CoS group last week but had another obligation. The other thing was postponed and now I can go. My email from the Texas CoS says bring written testimony about 140 words long to present to the clerk. I know what to say about Art V.
But is this written in format like a letter - Dear Sirs, blah blah, blah then sign my name?
Or, do I use some heading? Just write 140 words of what I’d say and sign?
I’ve actually written my 140 words just dont know the format.
First of all, the whole hysteria about a ‘runaway convention’ is pure BS. It takes 38 states to ratify an amendment and the anti-American left control at most 12. Incidentally, this is why PR and DC should never be granted statehood.
Secondly, an Article V Convention is a Convention of States and NOT a Constitutional Convention or Con-Con. A very good Article V organization is known as the Assembly of States. It exists only to get agreement on PROPOSED amendments. Such an assembly has no authority to ratify any amendments that the assembly would approve.
Thirdly, the assembly will be run by rules of order and will elect parliamentarians for the assembly who are familiar with establishing and maintaining order.
Some ILLUSTRATIONS for a new era ‘THE AMERICAN REFORMATION’:
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AMENDMENT XXVIII (State Franchise Sufferage) +++TERM LIMITS+++
To restore effective franchise suffrage of State Legislatures to Congress, the following amendment is proposed:
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Section 1.
A Senator in Congress shall be subject to recall by their respective state legislature or by voter referendum in their respective state.
Section 2.
Term limits for Senators in Congress shall be set by vote in their respective state legislatures but in no case shall be set less than twelve years nor more than eighteen years.
Section 3:
The seventeenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is hereby repealed.
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AMENDMENT XXIX (‘Thirty-State Quash Authority’) +++STATE CHECK ON FEDERAL POWER+++
To redress the balance of powers between the federal government and the States, the following amendment is proposed:
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Section 1.
Upon a majority vote in three-fifths of state legislatures, specific federal statutes, federal court decisions and executive directives of any form shall be repealed and made void in any state, territory, or possession of the United States.
Section 2.
State legislatures in agreement with results derived from Section 1 of this amendment shall sign a state quash authority directive delineating the specific federal statutes, federal court decisions or federal executive directives affected, said directive addressed and delivered to the Congress of the United States becoming immediately effective as of the date of delivery.
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This second illustration labeled as XXIX is written to provide a check on a future ‘Obama’ and a licentious USSC.
Note that these illustrations are written SO THAT THE STATES ARE GIVEN RESPONSIBILITY AND AUTHORITY. Amendments should be written so that it is clear that the federal government has no mandate regarding the interpretation or selective enforcement or non-enforcement of these types of amendments.
For example, the flawed 10th Amendment leaves all powers not enumerated in the US Constitution to the States or to the People. However, there is no mechanism left to the states to check the federal government with the 10th Amendment save for the appointment of US Senators by state legislatures which was abolished under the 17th Amendment. As it is, the 10th Amendment jurisdiction is left to the federal judiciary without any voice or role for the States. The result of these compounded flaws has yielded a highly centralized federal government whereby power is attained by an enormous federal government and funded by the Federal Reserve.
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AMENDMENT XXX (‘Sunset and Repeal of the 16th Amendment’) +++FALL BACK ON ORIGINAL TAX PROVISIONS+++
To facilitate age-of-awareness connectivity to the necessary task of funding the federal government of the United States:
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Section 1.
All forms of federal taxation in the United States, and unto to territories of its jurisdiction, that are derived under the authority of the sixteenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States shall be abolished by April 16, 2022 and shall be repealed immediately.
Section 2.
As of April 16, 2022, the sixteenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is hereby repealed.
Section 3:
Enforcement of federal tax liabilities shall cease as of January 1, 2025 with exceptions granted to active judicial proceedings initiated before January 1, 2025.
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By ‘Age Of Awareness’ means technologies of connectivity. These technologies did not exist in the 19th century and after to the year 1913 which marked the installation of the 16th Amendment. Had such suitable technology existed, the 16th Amendment would never have been installed. The 16th Amendment is in fact, a poor design proffered by persons of poor judgment. It is completely unsuitable in the Age of Awareness and Connectivity.
I should have read a little longer into your post. 140 words doesn’t leave much. Here’s a try:
John Doe, Amarillo, Tx (xxx-xxx-xxxx) (email)
An Article V process by States is not a Constitutional Convention or “Con-Con”. An Article V process has no authority to ratify any constitutional amendment thereby making it a part of the Constitution.
We need term limits on and a right, by legislative or public vote, to recall our US Senators. We need to repeal the 17th Amendment to restore state voices in the US Senate. We need 30 states to be able to void anything the federal government does short of war extremis. We need to repeal the 16th amendment.
That’s about 92 words.
You can either give a paragraph strip or a letter. Give both to the clerk, let them hash it out.
Good luck.
Thanks. Working on getting ready to go. Last minute opportunity has me rushing.
<>But is this written in format like a letter - Dear Sirs, blah blah, blah then sign my name?<>
Sure. Why not? You are a respectful citizen addressing servants. God bless you. Let us all know how it turns out!
I was told that we are going to have more people than there will be time to speak even with a 2 minute/person limit. I still wish to have my 2 minutes. This is a vote by the Senate State Affairs committee. They are more than likely going to vote on their portion tomorrow, getting it out of committee. I will report back sir.
E R says, “I am very much in favor of a balanced budget amendment and term limits”.
I am not in favor of either. They both are as bad if not worse than an Article V event. That said, your snake pit reference is spot on and the primary reason the Constitution should stay hermetically sealed as it is in the Museum.
I am not even sure I would trust the Founding Fathers should they have grown up in our day, and especially if we have another school shooting. You can take it to the bank that we will, and guns will get the blame, as sure as God made man.
Just as sure as an inanimate object is not the cause of School shootings, the Constitution of the United States is not the cause of our present condition. We know it is human nature, power, greed, control, big Government, and everything the Constitution stands against. Maybe there are even a few conspiracies no one has even though of. BUT, Open it for meddling mankind, and you are taking a risk no matter what you think can’t ever happen because we have built in protections. Poppycock, horse manure, and a few other statements. Unfortunately, the only proof will be what happens thereafter, and no one in their right mind ought to think that chance should be worth taking.
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