Posted on 01/30/2017 10:43:55 AM PST by Sean_Anthony
I believe that an official Presidential pardon for LTC Terry Lakin is in order. I have full faith that President Trump will do the right thing when time allows
First off—will Congress and/or SCOTUS please get off their collective butts and clearly, emphatically, and unequivocally define exactly what is meant by “Natural Born” from Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the US Constitution?
I have no problem with the pardon....I’m not so sure about the re-instating him part. That’s above my pay grade.
“Good God, it is unbelievable that such a vitally important term has not been legally and clearly defined so that there is no question what it means.”
Well, “shall not be infringed” is about as clear as text can possibly get, and here we are a hundred years into the battle over gun control.
Those who refuse the plain meaning of words will not be persuaded by more words.
“First off—will Congress and/or SCOTUS please get off their collective butts and clearly, emphatically, and unequivocally define exactly what is meant by “Natural Born” from Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the US Constitution?”
That ship has sailed.
This statement always annoys me. The term "natural born citizen" is based on "natural law" which was a big philosophical concept in the 1770s. You can't define it because it is defined by natural law.
To a founder it would be like saying "we need to define pi." Pi, being a natural constant, cannot be defined by man.
A natural citizen is a citizen created by nature, not a man made law. If it requires a law for someone to be a citizen, then they are not a natural citizen.
“Birtherism” is the greatest Alinsky ever perpetrated.
They have gotten the American people to reject one of the most valuable safeguards bequeathed to us by the founders.
The natural born citizen clause served us well until we ignored it.
Barry Soetoro/Barack Hussein Obama should be proof enough of the wisdom of the founders when they tried to prevent him from being President by requiring someone who could only be a US citizen and nothing else.
Born here of citizen parents.
Naturally a US citizen because there is no other possibility.
One cannot be anything else and also be a natural born citizen.
It does not matter if he was born in Hawaii if his father was a foreign national.
Children of foreign nationals inherit the nationality of their foreign national parent(s).
Natural born citizen means born here of citizen parents.
No other possible citizenship(s).
Only when one cannot be anything else can one be a natural born citizen.
No foreign birth.
No foreign parent(s)
No foreign citizenship(s)
No foreign influence on the Presidency is what John Jay stated in a letter to George Washington as the reason for insisting on a natural born citizen.
Obama told us he was born a British subject.
Who believes Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Jay, Monroe, Madison, etc. would have found him to be a natural born citizen?
Who believes they would have thought the recently deceased King of Thailand was eligible to be President?
He was born in Cambridge MA.
Usurpation Day, January 20, 2009, happened with the complete cooperation of both parties.
They want the Constitution changed without the hassle of amending the Constitution.
Confuse people about the clear meaning of a three word phrase and voila, every anchor baby and Winston Churchill is eligible.
The bench was the reason the GOP went along with the fig leaf resolution for McCain that was used by the Democrats as cover for Obama.
Jindal, Rubio, Haley, George P. Bush and Cruz were all up and comers and the future of the party and ineligible.
The truth of the Kenyanesian Usurpation will never see the light of day because both parties cooperated in the violation of the Constitution
bfl
It has been legally defined
Chief Justice Waite, Minor vs Happersett
The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners
Ping!
Congress, including Obama and Hillary, and Homeland did in SR511. Two US parents and born on US soil.
Those who think it is time to move on following Obozo’s fraudulent reign need to read Jim’s article at least a couple of times. Just this last election we had three candidates who again raised the issue of eligibility. As Jim says, it remains a very big deal. Also for those who question Jim’s analysis, they need to check his bio. He is a former Navy SEAL and a member of Mensa. Last I checked that puts him in the top 2% of intellect in the country.
The FRAUD told his worshippers when asked about illegal aliens voting, “When you vote, you are a citizen.”
I’m not giving up the Constitution or the protections of the natural born citizen clause just because the Kenyanesian Usurper, with help from the GOP, got away with usurping the office.
It will not happen again if I can do anything about it.
Cruz, Rubio, Jindal Haley and George P. Bush are ineligible and if nominated, I will not vote for them.
Natural-born anything means "having that quality or attribute from birth." No other definition for natural-born exists or has ever existed, despite your desperate obsession. If such an alternative definition existed or was desired, the Founders would have included it in the Constitution. They didn't. Thirty-five years old, fourteen years a resident and born a citizen. That's it. Get over it.
It was never doubted that oranges are orange. Pumpkins are also orange. That is not an exclusive definition.
So according to you, every anchor baby with no allegiance to this country is eligible to be President?
So, if Obama sealed his record through Executive Order 13489, then Trump might be able to issue an executive order to unseal the records. Lots of questions would be answered. Truth is the best disinfectant.
One is only NATURALLY a citizen when they can’t be anything else.
Foreign parents and foreign birth bring foreign citizenships and allegiances.
Cruz is a natural born Canadian, he is not a natural born American.
You forgot this part: "Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case, it is not necessary to solve these doubts."
What the court says is that children born in the U.S. of citizen parents are natural-born citizens, and children born in the U.S. of non-citizen parents could be as well. But for the purposes of this case it was not necessary for the court to resolve the second question.
It was not necessary for that case to resolve these doubts.
I would prefer there be no doubts about the loyalties of the President.
Children of foreign nationals may be citizens, but they are not natural born citizens as envisioned by the founders.
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