Posted on 01/09/2017 7:54:15 AM PST by w1n1
Anyone that follows Rob Leatham, who is known for his pistol shooting prowess knows about his "the Walk Back Challenge" drill. Basically the drill starts at the 50 yard take a shot with your pistol, if you hit the full size steel target. Proceed to the 100 yard, you keep repeating this drill until you've reached a distance where you miss the target. Normally this is around the 200 to 250 yard range.
In this demonstration Larry Vicker using a Glock 20 which shoots a 10mm, the power is between a .357 and 41 Magnum. This pistol is ideal not only for home and self defense. But, it may be a perfect fit for hunters and back packers as well. Consider having 2 magazines which houses 15 rounds each, thats a total of 30 magnum power at your disposal. With the flatter trajectory of the 10mm rounds theres a good chance you can reach out and touch something if needed. Check out the footage here and whats the farthest that you've shot with a pistol?
I routinely take pistols out to the 500 yard metallic silhouette range and test their trajectories and their ability to hit man sized targets. It is very doable. A 380 peters out at 400 yards, but a 45, 357, 44 mag, 40, 45 colt, all hit 500 yards no problem. I’d say 1 in 10 shots will hit a human target, and another 6 in 10 will definitely cause a human target to take cover.
I had a 1st Sgt in the Marine Corps who was horribly wounded in Viet Nam. After many months in the hospital, he was assigned to a pistol range (I cannot remember if it was Quantico or LeJune). He fired every day and became quite good.
When I knew him, if we were on the range and someone complained about their pistol (the 1911s), Top would fire a round or two and after that keyhole nearly every shot. ON the pistol range, with a box of 50 complete, he would leave a hole you might be able to fit a coffee mug through.
We were on the rifle range one day when the CO challenged him to put 3 of 5 rounds on the paper at the 200. The targets on the rifle range are about 5 feet wide and tall with scoring rings as wide as about 3 1/2 ft. He placed all 5 rounds in the scoring rings.
He performed this feet again at the 300, with only one round just outside the ring.
Until that day, if I saw a guy with a pistol 300 yards away I would not have been overly concerned.
I have shot my 1917 S&W at around 80 to 90 yards and did quite well. Load was 250 grain cast lead bullet and 8.5 grains of Alcan AL-5, WLP primer.
Interesting. Thanks. I’ve never attempted anything beyond 25 with pistol.
Not so. The recoil of the 10mm is pretty severe which is why the FBI, Secret Service, and Treasury agents don't use them. Too hard to get accurate second-third shots. The gov't agencies tried the 10mm and abandoned it because of excessive recoil. One of the main reasons for the development of the .40 S&W which has a much easier recoil.
200 meters is over 200 yards, why would anyone want to give their position away by taking a shot at 300, 250 or 300 yards?
Maybe in the woods if one of my kids was being threatened and i was 300 yards way I would but, for what other reason?
When I was around 19 or 20, I did most of my shooting at an abandoned clay pit not far from home.
One day I lined up a bunch of empty 12 gauge shotgun shells at around 50 yards and was surprised how easy it was to knock them over with a Colt Woodsman .22.
When I moved them to 100, I noticed that most of them had not been hit but had been knocked over by sand when I got close.
It eventually got fairly easy to knock them over at 100 and I impressed some people by doing so. I don’t think most of them realized that I wasn’t actually hitting most of them.
It’s a lot harder with the .357, as I always had a hell of a time seeing where I was hitting. .41 Mag, .44 Mag, .45LC wasn’t a problem.
I believe that. We always hear our modern experts sniff and say the original front sight on the Government 1911s was abysmal, useless, etc.
The fact is, they really aren’t smarter than John Browning.
He was designing a pistol for the Army. The cavalry above all held sway.
Up close at cavalry distances, you aren’t on the sights. This is also true at foxhole distances. But the army then also shot at steel drums 200 and 300 yards away. That’s where the fine sight came into play. The modern blocky ones with a giant white dot might cover a swath 15 wide that far away. The fine original made it easy to shoot at a distance.
The modern gurus simply don’t understand the origin of the 1911. The other thing that leftover from US Cav origins that stumps them is the hammer. They never stop to realize that the Army then carried SAA revolvers, draw cock and fire. The 1911 was designed to carry hammer down on a loaded chamber. Meant to act just like the SAA, the trooper would draw and cock. The safety was a nod to the fact that after a few shots, they were basically riding around with a cocked SAA which you would ever reholster. The safety allowed them to briefly reholster.
Constant condition 1, cocked and locked is pretty much a post WWII concept.
It isn’t wrong, but when people are critical of hammer down on a loaded chamber, the small sights, etc, they are showing what they don’t know.
If you want to stump one of them, ask why the 1911 has an external hammer. In their manual of arms it is never touched, right?
Very true. The 357 is much harder to see at that distance. It just doesn’t kick up enough debris.
Second shots aren’t as important with a full house 10mm. Its basically a 41 magnum. The problem was micro-agents, women, and other undesireable feds were too pussified to shoot it.
The 10 isn’t really that violent, especially in a semi auto.
As he held the reins of two horses with one hand, Austin Police Sgt. Adam Johnson raised his service pistol and fired a bullseye into his target about 312 feet away on an Austin, Texas downtown street.
He hit Larry McQuilliams square in the chest with his. .40 after Larry had fired off 100 rounds with a rifle in downtown Austin, Tx in 2014.
“why would anyone want to give their position “
Who says you’re in hiding in the first place? If you’re in a gun fight odds are it’s two way and the bad guy knows your position.
The point of long range pistol shooting isn’t just to have a skill, but more importantly to get over the mental issue that a typical 35 yard or less shot is difficult.
The main thing that caused the 40 was the feds wanted to fit it into a 9mm frame so small handed people could hold it.
The 10 was too long overall. That was its main sin. now the 10 is neutered on most factory loads and is loaded down to hot 40 levels. You have to carefully choose if you want the full house 10 loads.
A guy I used to shoot with went five for five at 200 yards with a S&W 500. All five on target, four of five inside the rings. The one outside the rings was just outside the five ring, at the top, and was the first shot taken.
At John Linebaugh’s annual shoot near Cody, Wyoming shooters routinely hit a buffalo target at a 1000 yds with revolvers. I once did it myself and hit 2 out of 5 shots wth my 500 Linebaugh Long revolver.
I once witnessed John Linebaugh knock down a ram target at 500 meters (550 yds) at the Oklahoma City Gun Club on his first shot. He then put his gun away and would not attempt it again because he knew his average could only go down from there.
I shot a moving possum at 30 meters (Glock 17) 3 times and thought i was something. Guess not...I shot it because it was daytime and it was harassing my dog - both strange. I figured it was probably rabid.
interesting
A moving possum at 100 feet is still a good shot. Most people would miss.
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