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Greenfield: Will Hillary Accept Defeat?
The Sultan Knish blog ^ | Sunday, October 23, 2016 | Daniel Greenfield

Posted on 10/24/2016 7:25:51 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell

Sunday, October 23, 2016

Will Hillary Accept Defeat?

Posted by Daniel Greenfield

The headlines are in. Trump is the “anti-Democratic” candidate because he refuses to rule out challenging the results of an election that has yet to take place. Such a course of action is “beyond the pale”. It’s a threat to democracy. And it is utterly and thoroughly unacceptable.

Except when Democrats do it.

It was the day after the election. While the Democratic Party faithful waited in the rain in Nashville, William Daley strode out and announced, “Our campaign continues”. Al Gore had called George W. Bush to withdraw his concession. “Are you saying what I think you’re saying?" a baffled Bush asked. “You don’t have to be snippy about it," Gore retorted snippily.

Gore did eventually concede. Though years later he would attempt to retract his concession a second time. But his political movement never did concede. It remained a widespread belief in left-wing circles that President Bush was illegitimately elected and that President Gore was the real winner.

How mainstream is that belief?

When Hillary dragged Gore away from playing with his Earth globe to campaign for her, the crowd booed at his mention of the election and then chanted, “You won, you won”.

Hillary grinned and nodded.

Hillary Clinton has always believed that President Bush illegitimately took office. She has told Democrats that Bush was “selected” rather than “elected”. In Nigeria, of all places, she implied that Jeb Bush had rigged the election for his brother.

But it’s not unprecedented, beyond the pale or utterly unacceptable when Democrats do it.

It’s just business as usual.

The media’s focus has been on whether Trump would accept the results if he loses. Yet a better question might be whether Hillary Clinton would accept her defeat.

Even when it came to the battle for the Democratic nomination, Hillary Clinton refused to concede defeat until the bitter end and then past it. Not only did Hillary refuse to drop out even when Obama was the clear winner, while her people threatened a convention floor fight, but she insisted on staying on in the race for increasingly bizarre and even downright disturbing reasons.

In South Dakota, Hillary explained that there was no reason for her to drop out because somebody might shoot Barack Obama, "We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California."

There’s something disturbing in the revelation that Hillary was basing her decision to stay in the race in the hope that her rival would be assassinated.

Obama’s spokesman said that her remark “has no place in this campaign”. But it had a place inside Hillary Clinton’s very warped brain which preferred to see Obama die than concede the election to him.

If that’s how Hillary felt about a fellow Democrat, imagine how she feels about Trump.

Even after Obama had clinched the delegate votes, Hillary’s speech brought back the Gore argument insisting that, “Nearly 18 million of you cast your votes for our campaign, carrying the popular vote with more votes than any primary candidate in history. Even when the pundits and the naysayers proclaimed week after week that this race was over, you kept on voting.”

Then the fabulously wealthy Hillary asked those 18 million people to go to her website and give her money while refusing to make any decision on ending her campaign. It took her another day to do that.

It’s not as if the Obama side was any better. It was arguably worse. Governor Wilder, an Obama ally, threatened a return of the 1968 Chicago Democratic convention riots if Hillary won. "If you think 1968 was bad, you watch; in 2008, it will be worse,” Wilder warned.

Unprecedented. Outrageous. Beyond the pale. Except this is how Democrats act even to each other.

Now how would they respond to a Trump victory? Would they urge Hillary to concede or to fight on? Would they stage more riots while claiming voter disenfranchisement had stolen the election?

Hillary Clinton has made it clear that she views Trump’s candidacy as illegitimate. She has called him “unfit” and described his supporters as “deplorables”. Democrats, all the way up to the White House, are constantly accusing Republicans of scheming to disenfranchise voters. These “schemes” involve asking undocumented Democrats to show some ID instead of relying on an honor system and removing illegitimate voters from the rolls. But beyond enabling voter fraud, such arguments can easily be employed to attack the legitimacy of a Republican winner. They provide the fodder for another Florida.

Does anyone really believe that Hillary Clinton, who couldn’t even graciously concede to Obama will graciously concede to Trump?

And, given the fact that Hillary won the nomination by using the DNC to rig the process, leading to the resignation of Debbie Wasserman Schultz, are Trump’s concerns of a rigged election illegitimate?

Donald Trump has clarified that he would accept “a clear election result” but that he was “being asked to waive centuries of legal precedent designed to protect the voters.”

And he’s right. No one preemptively cedes elections. And Hillary Clinton has faced accusations of abusive and fraudulent tactics from Democratic rivals in two different presidential elections.

Why should Republicans assume that she’ll treat them better than she treated Barack Obama and Bernie Sanders?

Not all that long ago, the left wanted Gore to fight to the bitter end. A Gore adviser recalled, "People were calling us from everywhere, telling us, 'Don't concede.'" Left-wing voices urged Bernie Sanders to stay in the race long after it became obvious that the left-winger had no realistic path to victory left.

But the same behavior that is virtuous when Democrats do it becomes an unpardonable sin when Republicans take it up.

That’s a pernicious double standard that cannot and should not be allowed to stand.

When Democrats warn of voter disenfranchisement, the media backs them up. When Republicans complain about voter fraud, they are accused of voter suppression. When Democrats fight elections past the point that they’re lost, then they are courageous. But when Republicans do it, they are a threat to democracy.

But democracy does not mean Democratic Party rule. That’s just the mistake that the media makes.

Whatever rules we have, run both ways. Any practices, new or old, also apply to both sides. If challenging election results is legitimate, then it is so for both sides. Whatever options were available to Gore and Hillary cannot help but be available to Trump.

That is how democracy, rather than Democratic Party rule, works.


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KEYWORDS: assassination; concede; concession; defeat; demagogicparty; greenfield; hillaryclinton; johnpodesta; sultanknish; surrendermeme
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1 posted on 10/24/2016 7:25:51 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell
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2 posted on 10/24/2016 7:26:52 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell ( Trump is the collective voice of 100 million F U Â’s.)
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To: Louis Foxwell

Heads will literally roll, IMO. She’ll go on the biggest rant, rave and lawsuit campaign ever assembled and she will kill, butcher and maim/destroy any media functionary that doesn’t help her get what she thinks she deserves.


3 posted on 10/24/2016 7:27:39 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Louis Foxwell
How many FReepers remember this old "goodie"?

From the "recount" days

4 posted on 10/24/2016 7:29:33 AM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Louis Foxwell
She didn't accept it in 2000.She was quoted,in 2002 IIRC,as saying that W was *selected* rather than *elected*.IOW...rigged election.

So why should she accept defeat *this* time.

Also,IIRC...either Time of Newsweek had a cover after the '04 election saying something like "Did Bush Steal Ohio?".

5 posted on 10/24/2016 7:31:38 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Deplorables' Lives Matter)
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To: Gaffer

I fervently hope that her hate gets the best of her. Fitting to watch her pop a vessel.


6 posted on 10/24/2016 7:42:08 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Louis Foxwell

“Will Hillary Accept Defeat?”

How would we know - nobody asked her.

Oh, right. Fair play never applies if it would impact a dim.


7 posted on 10/24/2016 7:43:22 AM PDT by Let's Roll ("You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality" -- Ayn Rand)
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To: Louis Foxwell

I remember clearly, reading a comment from a State Dept employee, after the 2004 election. Apparently, at a meeting in the State Dept, someone in charge of one of the sections (obviously a Democrat) after hearing ‘GWB won over 50% of the votes and we will now support his agenda’ said, ‘but Kerry won just under 50% of the votes and we will still support his/our agenda’. And from what I have read recently, Obama’s minions are scurrying from appointed jobs to secure, tenured jobs from which they cannot be fired. Trump is going to have his work cut out for him......he must CLEAN HOUSE and get rid of those who would undermine him.


8 posted on 10/24/2016 7:43:32 AM PDT by originalbuckeye ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: Louis Foxwell
Hillary Clinton ... She has told Democrats that Bush was “selected” rather than “elected”. In Nigeria, of all places, she implied that Jeb Bush had rigged the election for his brother. But it’s not unprecedented, beyond the pale or utterly unacceptable when Democrats do it. It’s just business as usual.

Odd how 'oh so bright' MSM journalists have forgotten all of the above... Ask yourself: are MSM journalists corrupt, in the tank with democrats or just plain stupid?

9 posted on 10/24/2016 7:43:40 AM PDT by GOPJ ( "An honest public servant can't become rich in politics" - - President Harry S. Truman)
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To: rockrr

Her hate has been 2008 when (in her thinking) that black SOB stole the election from her. She bided her time, amassed a fortune in bribes via the CFF and browbeat media to pay her back because of that SOB taking her Presidency.

She’s filled with hate, physically (and mentally) debilitated. But dammit, she’s owed this and she won’t give it up without some serious sh!t retaliation. Count on it. She will lose - I suspect bigly - but our win won’t come easy. This is really Armageddon.


10 posted on 10/24/2016 7:45:59 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Let's Roll

These types NEVER leave peacefully. Between Hillary and Obama being pulled from the office like a tick that THAT is how we will see this “unrest” that everyone is talking about.

She isn’t happy now. The public isn’t aware of the fixed polls, but she is. She knows that she’s getting a 20% vote. That has to grate on her.


11 posted on 10/24/2016 7:46:00 AM PDT by Celerity
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To: Celerity

When Hillay loses, expect far more more Demonicrat violence in the streets than occurred with the leftist BLM domestic terrorists.


12 posted on 10/24/2016 7:49:10 AM PDT by Carl Vehse
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To: Let's Roll

Exactly correct in your post, Let's Roll.
We never heard the same probing question posed to Hillary Clinton.
Donald Trump will be victorious in a few weeks and she will have a meltdown.

13 posted on 10/24/2016 7:50:47 AM PDT by Blue Jays ( Rock hard ~ Ride free)
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To: originalbuckeye

I’d love to see Scott Walker as Secretary of Labor. Give him a mandate — government unions should be illegal. Make all government employees into “at will” employees.


14 posted on 10/24/2016 7:52:07 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Abortion is what slavery was: immoral but not illegal. Not yet.)
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To: Gaffer

The order to riot will be issued when she loses.


15 posted on 10/24/2016 7:55:56 AM PDT by Fred Hayek (The Democratic Party is now the operational arm of the CPUSA)
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To: Carl Vehse; Gaffer; Celerity

Conservatives are far better prepared for Election Day than typical Liberals.
Donald Trump is doing much better than Hillary Clinton.
The thousands of enthusiastic people attending rallies are a simple barometer pointing to the victory just over two weeks from now.

16 posted on 10/24/2016 7:58:28 AM PDT by Blue Jays ( Rock hard ~ Ride free)
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To: ClearCase_guy
government unions should be illegal. Make all government employees into “at will” employees.

Saving it for the second 100 days of Trump

19...government unions should be illegal. Make all government employees into “at will” employees.

20...Repeal the Johnson act

21....

17 posted on 10/24/2016 7:59:00 AM PDT by spokeshave (In the Thatch Weave,..Trump's Wing Man is Truth.)
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To: Blue Jays

I have faith we will win big. And I know that Hillary’s forces will claim fraud. Count on it.


18 posted on 10/24/2016 8:00:03 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Louis Foxwell

i subscribe to it and get it daily and read it daily. He is one of the best writers on the Web. Greenfield and Steyn, very different styles and both among the best.


19 posted on 10/24/2016 8:21:31 AM PDT by arthurus (Hillary's campaign is getting shaky)
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To: Gaffer

I can see her trying to gin up violent opposition. Trump would need to be ready to crack down immediately and back up local authorities and tell them forcefully that riots and violence should be met effectively. Shooting looters is societal self defense.


20 posted on 10/24/2016 8:23:53 AM PDT by arthurus (Hillary's campaign is getting shaky)
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