This guy:
Posted on 08/27/2016 5:55:28 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Latest on the 2016 presidential campaign (all times EDT):
4:20 p.m.
Donald Trump is telling Iowans that one of his campaign goals is to "make America grow again."
Speaking at a rally Saturday in Des Moines, Iowa, Trump touted his plans to boost economic growth and help American farmers, including his proposal to lower the tax rate on family farms to 15 percent....
(Excerpt) Read more at lancasterfarming.com ...
I thought they got lots of subsidies.
Well that's a plus, no one else will even admit it's going on.
Only the really big corporate farms -— small family farms are small independent businesses that have to make it on their own.
This will draw a lot of hate from the farmer-haters who think we get rich on govt. subsidies. That ended for most farmers years ago.
You thought wrong. Read up.
Doesn't anyone remember them?
Simply done, abolish the Agricultural department, the EPA, the “Energy” department(which produces no energy) and OSHA. He has also said he will stop “baseline budgeting?” Is that true? Really easy to stop the continual rise in government spending. Start here: freeze federal spending to all alphabet agencies, freeze hiring—no new hires, cut all alphabet agency spending by 20 percent immediately, then 20 percent per year until they are all abolished. Easy to say but maybe impossible to do.
What would 2 or 3 things would help the small farmer most?
Are there many left?
Freaking bingo right there.
Bkmrk.
This guy:
For more than half of the history of the Republic farmers and ranchers paid no income tax because there wasn’t one. So subsidies is just a way of preserving the food chain.
Their tax rate shouldn’t be 15%.
For ACTIVE WORKING FARMERS AND RANCHERS, their tax rate should be 0%.
For PASSIVE NON-WORKING FARMERS AND RANCHERS, their tax rate should be the maximum rate plus a surcharge for leeching.
I heard Mr. Trump talk about helping the family farmers - esp ending EPA regulations that are killing the family farms. And ending the taxes that kill the inheritance of the family farms. I hope he can win over the farmers in Iowa - we need their votes.
Ending the war must include ending the incentives. Stop subsidizing milk (should be $5+/gal), stop burning corn as fuel, etc. Much of the subsidies can’t be voluntarily refused without being destroyed by subsidised competition; farmers don’t want it, but can’t compete without it now.
Transcript:
The Farmer and the Business Man
There is no body of our people whose interests are more inextricably interwoven with the interests of all the people than is the case with the farmers. The Country Life Commission should be revived with greatly increased powers; its abandonment was a severe blow to the interests of our people.
The welfare of the farmer is a basic need of this nation. It is the men from the farm who in the past have taken the lead in every great movement within this nation, whether in time of war or in time of peace. It is well to have our cities prosper, but it is not well if they prosper at the expense of the country. In this movement the lead must be taken by the farmers themselves; but our people as a whole, through their governmental agencies, should back the farmers. Everything possible should be done to better the economic condition of the farmer, and also to increase the social value of the life of the farmer, the farmer's wife, and their children. The burdens of labor and loneliness bear heavily on the women in the country; their welfare should be the especial concern of all of us. Everything possible should be done to make life in the country profitable so as to be attractive from the economic standpoint and there should be just the same chance to live as full, as well-rounded, and as highly useful lives in the country as in the city.
The government must cooperate with the farmer to make the farm more productive. There must be no skinning of the soil. The farm should be left to the farmer's son in better, and not worse, condition because of its cultivation. Moreover, every invention and improvement, every discovery and economy, should be at the service of the farmer in the work of production; and in addition, he should be helped to cooperate in business fashion with his fellows, so that the money paid by the consumer for the product of the soil shall, to as large a degree as possible, go into the pockets of the man who raised that product from the soil. So long as the farmer leaves cooperative activities with their profit-sharing to the city man of business, so long will the foundations of wealth be undermined and the comforts of enlightenment be impossible in the country communities.
The present conditions of business cannot be accepted as satisfactory. There are too many who do not prosper enough, and of the few who prosper greatly there are certainly some whose prosperity does not mean well for the country. Rational Progressives, no matter how radical, are well aware that nothing the government can do will make some men prosper, and we heartily approve the prosperity, no matter how great, of any man, if it comes as an incident to rendering service to the community; but we wish to shape conditions so that a greater number of the small men in business-the decent, respectable, industrious, and energetic; men who conduct small businesses, who are retail traders, who run small stores and shops--shall be able to succeed, and so that the big man who is dishonest shall not be allowed to succeed at all.
Our aim is to control business, not to strangle it-and above all, not to continue a policy of make-believe strangle toward big concerns that do evil, and constant menace toward both big and little concerns that do well.
Our aim is to promote prosperity and then to see that prosperity is passed around, that there is a proper division of prosperity. We wish to control big business so as to secure among other things good wages for the wage-workers and reasonable prices for the consumers. We will not submit to the prosperity that is obtained by lowering the wages of working men and charging an excessive price to consumers, nor to that other kind of prosperity obtained by swindling investors or getting unfair advantages over business rivals. We propose to make it worth while for our business men to develop the most efficient business agencies, but we propose to make these business agencies do complete justice to our own people. We are against crooked business, big or little. We are in favor of honest business, big or little. We propose to penalize conduct and not size.
(The speech contains excerpts from "A Confession of Faith," an address originally delivered to the national convention of the Progressive party in Chicago on August 6, 1912. See Social Justice and Popular Rule: Essays, Addresses, and Public Statements Relating to the Progressive Movement (1910-1916) by Theodore Roosevelt.)
Social and Industrial Justice
Our prime concern is that in dealing with the fundamental law of the land, in assuming finally to interpret it, and therefore finally to make it, the acts of the courts should be subject to and not above the final control of the people as a whole. I deny that the American people have surrendered to any set of men, no matter what their position or their character, the final right to determine those fundamental questions upon which free self-government ultimately depends.
The people themselves must be the ultimate makers of their own Constitution, and where their agents differ in their interpretations of the Constitution the people themselves should be given the chance, after full and deliberate judgment, authoritatively to settle what interpretation it is that their representatives shall thereafter adopt as binding.
We do not question the general honesty of the courts. But in applying to present-day social conditions the general prohibitions that were intended originally as safeguards to the citizen against the arbitrary power of government in the hands of caste and privilege, these prohibitions have been turned by the courts from safeguards against political and social privilege into barriers against political and social justice and advancement.
Our purpose is not to impugn the courts, but to emancipate them from a position where they stand in the way of social justice; and to emancipate the people, in an orderly way, from the iniquity of enforced submission to a doctrine which would turn constitutional provisions which were intended to favor social justice and advancement into prohibitions against such justice and advancement.
In the last twenty years an increasing percentage of our people have come to depend on industry for their livelihood, so that today the wage-workers in industry rank in importance side by side with the tillers of the soil. As a people we cannot afford to let any group of citizens or any individual citizen live or labor under conditions which are injurious to the common welfare. Industry, therefore, must submit to such public regulation as will make it a means of life and health, not of death or inefficiency. We must protect the crushable elements at the base of our present industrial structure.
We stand for a living wage. Wages are subnormal if they fail to provide a living for those who devote their time and energy to industrial occupations. The monetary equivalent of a living wage varies according to local conditions, but must include enough to secure the elements of a normal standard of living--a standard high enough to make morality possible, to provide for education and recreation, to care for immature members of the family, to maintain the family during periods of sickness, and to permit a reasonable saving for old age.
Hours are excessive if they fail to afford the worker sufficient time to recuperate and return to his work thoroughly refreshed. We hold that the night labor of women and children is abnormal and should be prohibited; we hold that the employment of women over forty-eight hours per week is abnormal and should be prohibited. We hold that the seven-day working week is abnormal, and we hold that one day of rest in seven should be provided by law. We hold that the continuous industries, operating twenty-four hours out of twenty-four, are abnormal, and where, because of public necessity or for technical reasons (such as molten metal), the twenty-four hours must be divided into two shifts of twelve hours or three shifts of eight, they should by law be divided into three of eight.
I love your tax proposal, generally speaking....though I wouldn’t necessarily hit the passive, non-working with a surcharge.
Just so I understand....active and working is pretty clear. But for passive and non-working, would that include people who own the farm but hire someone else to do the work? There are lots of good people who do that, also, and some of these farms are also modest in size. Like family farms, but just that the owner has hired someone else to do the farming.
If you could flush your proposal out a little bit, I’d appreciate it. I like it and you are on to something.
Trump just won Iowa.
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