Posted on 07/17/2016 2:59:33 AM PDT by mdmathis6
There Is no biblical support for the Reparations Movement(Nevermind the claptrap the SJW's try to hoodwink theologically weak minded persons with!) Behold Ezekiel 18:19-29
19 “Yet you say, ‘Why should the son not bear the guilt of the father?’ Because the son has done what is lawful and right, and has kept all My statutes and observed them, he shall surely live. 20 The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.
21 “But if a wicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed, keeps all My statutes, and does what is lawful and right, he shall surely live; he shall not die. 22 None of the transgressions which he has committed shall be remembered against him; because of the righteousness which he has done, he shall live. 23 Do I have any pleasure at all that the wicked should die?” says the Lord God, “and not that he should turn from his ways and live?
24 “But when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and does according to all the abominations that the wicked man does, shall he live? All the righteousness which he has done shall not be remembered; because of the unfaithfulness of which he is guilty and the sin which he has committed, because of them he shall die.
25 “Yet you say, ‘The way of the Lord is not fair.’ Hear now, O house of Israel, is it not My way which is fair, and your ways which are not fair? 26 When a righteous man turns away from his righteousness, commits iniquity, and dies in it, it is because of the iniquity which he has done that he dies. 27 Again, when a wicked man turns away from the wickedness which he committed, and does what is lawful and right, he preserves himself alive. 28 Because he considers and turns away from all the transgressions which he committed, he shall surely live; he shall not die. 29 Yet the house of Israel says, ‘The way of the Lord is not fair.’ O house of Israel, is it not My ways which are fair, and your ways which are not fair?"
The “fairness” Reparations ‘blood guilt” police need to be confronted with Ezekiel 18 measure for measure, especially when they try to use religion as a support for their noxious views. The whole chapter destroys the notion of generational blood guilt and the need for atonement for previous ancestors’ past mistakes! The chapter even addresses “fairness” from God’s point of view!
“Our system of justice...”
...and all systems of justice in the history of civilized humans...
Amen.
Christ warned us these days would come.
Then there is also no biblical support for affirmative action (which is just reparations under a different name).
I believe if Jesus were here, He would ask the black community “Do you want to be well?”
It’s time to forgive and forget. The black churches should have started preaching forgiveness in April of 1865.
As for reparations, 620,000 white men died to free the slaves, and the American people have spent trillions of dollars on welfare, and housing and schools. If that isn’t enough, then the problem is really one of revenge and greed.
Reparations have already been paid in the form of BLOOD SACRIFICE. Seven hundred thousand lives on the altar. Then there is also tens of thousands of arms, legs, eyes, broken families, destroyed lively hoods.
When all put together there was probably one sacrifice for each slave freed.
Sounds like reparations for slavery to me.
What this means is that it's in your power to repent (just like the Ninevites!) and God will forgive you. It's an affirmation of free will and a repudiation of the doctrine that you need someone else to die for your sins.
It is really much simpler than all of that. Those who never owned slaves should not have to pat reparations to those who were never slaves.
If you take something of value from someone, then that is stealing. Holding a person as a slave would be theft amongst other cremes. Crimes would be punished. One way to punch a crime is to make the criminal pay damages to the victim.I think there is something about that somewhere in the good book.
I believe the county has “paid” for slavery with the civil war, civil rights legislation, and affirmative action and the great society. I believe no one in the US today is a “victim” of slavery. Therefore no reparations are warranted. But you basic point about no biblical foundation is incorrect IMO.
My secretary’s family had their farm taken away because they were Amercians of Japanese descent. After the war they didn’t get the farm back. When three of them got 30,000 apiece in the 80s, the land they used to own was worth 1.1 million. If we needed to inter the people and after the war they had done nothing wrong, their land should have been returned or they should have been compensated at full value. otherwise it was theft. Theft is prohibited in the bible.
punch=punish auto text drives me mad.
What was the political party in power that took the land and why did they not ensure that that the lands weren’t held in trust until after the war so that they could be returned? This nation has had a history of such corruption of governmental kleptocracy(ie native Americans)...you still see it when the cops impound a vehicle as the owner was suspected of drug use..only to never get the vehicle back when the owner was adjudged as innocent!(The courts have started to crack down but it’s too little at this point). My point was about what we do before God as individually accountable persons, that is the basis of Ezekiel 18. I can only speculate what I would have done(vote...write letters, ect) to try to correct the situation that your secretary’s family went through...if I had been a Federal judge I would have ruled against the internments of obvious long term or even from birth American citizens(but that would have been me...acting before the Living God and my conscience). The later court decisions did assure some payments but in the 80’s how could you value what was lost...do you take away another innocent family’s house because they didn’t know it belonged to a Japanese family interned decades earlier? I think they could have paid more to the Japanese families; especially those who had strong records of claims and ownerships...Do you also assign a punishment award as well...and how much? The Japanese family’s often had stronger claims then the race baiters do when the spew their reparations claims. They often speak of atonements and blood guilt hanging over all Americans and white people in particular(even irish and other later “arrivals to America that never had anything to do with owning slaves) for hundred of years...there is no Biblical support for what the race baiters try to claim. Shame on the post war generations for not quickly restoring the fortunes of the interned Japanese...but I was not guilty of what that generation failed to do in that regard, 70 years ago, nor do I accept any sort of ‘blood guilt” or a never ending reparations tax over the Japanese Internments! Sin is messy for individuals but limited to the individual at least in terms God’s judgment! Ongoing national sin IS another matter!
There is a fascinating case from the book of Judges about how a Levite took his dead wife(killed and abused by certain men in a city) and cut her to pieces and sent her to all the major areas of Israel(laying the blood guilt on the nation unless the guilty were brought to justice by the whole of the nation). In that case, (like you suggested concerning the civil war), the matter ended with the nation killing those men lest the judgment of God fall on the whole nation. There was no further national “blood guilt” to be carried over into the far far future!
I do fear that the blood guilt of abortion will consume us as a nation and that despite the great many efforts of wonderful Christians, God will decide at some point to act..(.perhaps via Civil War again) and as individuals we can speak out, try to persuade, try to rescue, within the torches of time that each of our lives are endowed with.
Ezekiel 18 speaks of individuals’ accountability before God and as a member of a particular race, you are not responsible for acts of family members 100’s of years removed from you(if they were even here at that time!)...you are however required at times to the extent one is able, to respond to the hurts and injustices that exist all around us now!
Adamic sin is shared by all humans and only the perfect sacrifice of Jesus Chrsit was sufficient to cleanse us and to restore us to the Father. He freely offered himself for all of us collectively but it is up to each of us individually to come to the Father thru Jesus Christ. I think one finds the heart of what the Melchizidek priesthood is all about in Ezekiel 18, of which Jesus Christ was Chief Priest! One may repent but the sin stain could not be wiped merely by the blood of animals...but even in OT times, God imputed righteousness and even a knowledge and certain presence of himself to those, who in spirit and in truth, sought to live in God’s way! As Habbakuk says...”The just shall by his faith”!(and not by works alone lest any should boast as per Paul the apostle)
Wonderful thought experiment...I’ve read some calculations...completely insane....and do you create ratio’s for 100 percent decended, down to 5 percent descended? Don’t tell Senator Warren...she’ll find some drop of African blood some how flowing thru her veins!
To you as well, FRiend.
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