Can you provide some of the predictions?
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Here were the predictions:
Gradual surrender of US sovereignty to
int’l organizations
Expand Gov Spending greatly
Higher taxes
Increasingly Unbalanced budget
Devalue the currency
Gov price and wage controls
Socialistic Controls over economy and daily lives
Increase bureaucracy size
Centralize Federal power, weaken power of the states
Federal aid to, and control over, education
Make the public fear fighting and support appeasing communists
He was right on all ten predictions. We didn’t win the Cold War. We just won a battle and Obama was the next phase. He is their weapon. I know it sounds paranoid but he could have been the eleventh prediction come true.
I’ve made that observation (Birchers’ predictions coming true) myself several times in the past 15-20 years; moreso in the last 8-10 years. When I was stationed at Ft. Hood back in the early- to mid-80s, I somehow got on the John Birch Society mailing list. Although I never joined, participated or even communicated with them, I read their materials and, for the most part, thought they were nuts. After seeing and living the events of the past 30 years, I’m not so sure.
The John Birch society suffered two hits: William F. Buckley Jr attacked it as too extreme, and it hasn’t had a leader like its founder (Welch, the man in the video) since his death.
Yes, there’s been demonization from the left, but the left does that to everyone right of Bill Clinton
Is the JBS still around?
The Birch Society was right about what was coming. But their problem was essentially that they were libertarians, not conservatives. They had no moral values, and argued that government should be stopped from preventing individuals from doing whatever the hell they liked.
Regrettably, that raises almost as many problems as Big Government. If people don’t control themselves with basic moral principles, then the way is open for Big Government to step in and do it for them. Not good.
It’s the difference between Goldwater and Reagan.
Fhios we may be discovering that the world we thought we knew is hiding a reality whose exposure is coming. I too wondered about those horrible Birchers when I was a kid. I did once buy a booklet at one of their stores, expecting to wondering if I’d be accosted by people in white hoods with holes for eyes. The book was like reading the an explanation of the Constitution - nothing exciting to a naïve young man. We all still need to belong to something; it may be a survival instinct. We also need to think independently, and that is anathema to the left.
Along these lines I recall reading, with citations to the NY Times and WaPo, the horrible crimes of Joseph McCarthy, convening kangaroo courts to get the brilliant director and writer Dalton Trumbo blacklisted (my parents were small players in the industry, and Trumbo’s trial was symbolic). There was an “atmospheric” movie about those hearings. A few years ago I learned that McCarthy was a senator, and had nothing whatsoever to do with the House Un-American Activities Commission. How did the NY Times make such a grievous mistake? Was it a mistake? How did an employee of now CIA Director Brennan get into State Department Archives to “cauterize”, according to Condoleezza Rice, candidate Obama’s state department records? What can we believe of statements coming from our government or the progressive media?
First, the very readable book by Diana West, “American Betrayal” is an excellent start. Did you realize that a KGB Officer in the FDR administration, Alger Hiss, created the United Nations? Did anyone tell you that KGB officer Harry Dexter White, Asst Treasury Secretary, created the IMF (International Monitary Fund) and World Bank, vehicles to transfer US wealth to whomever its officers decided; Tim Geitner’s father was one of those officers. When we sent Cossacks, anti-Bolsheviks refugees back to almost certain torture and death in post WWII USSR, so-called Operation KeelHaul was a creation of group of the hundreds of Soviet Agents practically running the U.S. Government during FDR’s failing years.
If he hadn’t begun to release, though only after the USSR failed and papers were coming out with defectors and refugees anyway, decryptions of cables exchanged between spies in our government and the USSR, the “Venona Papers”, we would still be blind. Of the two million or so cables that were intercepted only about two thousand have been decrypted and published. We may actually have engineered the fall of Chang Kai Shek, whose armies fought the Japanese, to allow Mao to impose his version of communism, strongly supported by the Soviets, upon China.
The remarkable Mrs. West was virulently attacked after her book was published in 2012 by well known old communists, David Horowitz (Frontpage.com) and Ron Radosh, another “red-diaper-doper-baby” “historian”, who repeatedly called her names and cited issues that were not in her book at all. To see that process, Alinsky at work, is worth the time reading her book. Brightbart has published most of her rebottles, which are devastating, and reveal the well-learned techniques of propagandists, which Horowitz was, for decades, as an editor of probably the most important Marxist journal, Ramparts, disappeared around the time the USSR failed, and where Presidential Science Adviser John Holdren often worked during the late 70s and 80s while being paid to teach “Green” environmentalism to naïve Berkeley college students.
For a painless introduction here is Mrs. West’s lecture to a group in Boston just after the publishing of American Betrayal. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1l5nq2ujLL0 Paraphrasing Mrs. West, or M. Stanton Evans, or Herbert Romerstein’s “Stalin’s Secret Agents” would be tedious and probably unread. Evan’s speeches are available on YouTube, and he was (just passed away) brilliant with a famous sense of humor. Listening is fun. Hopefully some will want to learn more and buy or borrow the books.
Evans will tell you about the comment FDR, in his last few months of life at the Yalta conference, gave to Stalin when “Uncle Joe” asked what FDR was going to talk with King Saud about. Paraphrasing just a little “I’m going to offer him the six million Jews we have in the U.S.”
Yalta was run by Alger Hiss. Hiss, with Churchill acquiescing, gave more than half of Europe to the Soviets for whom Hiss was working. The papers of the designated Secretary of State, Edward Stettinius, who had been on the job for about two months, were disappeared from government archives. Stanton Evans finally found a copy in FBI archives, the only place agents had difficulty cleaning.
Now I’ll go back and probably learn some truth about the Birch Society.
I know what I'm talking about. I used to be a member.
Thanks for sending me to Youtube land. It took me about an hours to get out. Haha.
Fascinating thread. We need to have more discussions on the John Birch Society.