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Things Cruz would face as GOP nominee that Trump wouldn’t have to
Coach is Right ^ | 12/9/15 | Kevin "Coach" Collins

Posted on 12/09/2015 9:40:42 AM PST by Oldpuppymax

It would be great to have Ted Cruz as our next president. So many things could be fixed and so much good could be done. It’s a very pleasant dream but nothing more.

There are a number of difficult problems Cruz would have to face as the Republican nominee that Donald Trump wouldn’t have deal with.

Cruz was born in Canada, to an American mother and a Cuban citizen father. Like it or not, Cruz would have to fight a continual battle to prove his eligibility. He only gave up his duel Canadian citizenship in May 2014 when the media called him on this.

Trump has no such problem.

Cruz voted for the Coker Bill that made the Iran Nuke deal impossible to stop.

Trump has always been very critical of the deal.

Cruz has been and would be totally dependent on donated money to run his campaign. It would be a tough uphill fight that would eat into his campaigning time.

Trump is self-financed and owes no one anything.

Cruz would be constantly asked to explain how he would fix the economy and try to do so with few credentials in this area.

Trump’s domestic long suit is the economy.

Cruz has come out against excluding Muslims which will make him the target should there be another Islamic lunatic attack.

Trump’s position will win out.

While not doing well with Blacks and Hispanics would not necessarily be fatal to Cruz, given his ethnicity, he would be badgered into an “either pander or perish” position and be a loser either way.

Currently Trump’s getting between 13% and 25% of Black support and 31% with Hispanics.

The RNC can stop Cruz with a number of little things they could not get away with on Trump. They could schedule a...

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To: Amntn

I posted this to another thread last night but am re-posting it here because it is a more appropriate thread for it.

I was thinking about the differences between Cruz and Trump and I think I have come up with why Trump is more appealing to some of us than Cruz is.

Trump LOVES America while Cruz loves the idea or ideal of America.

Cruz loves the constitution, the story of the founding of America, it’s history and what it stands for. He loves the ideal of freedom and the republic.

On the other-hand, Trump LOVES America and it’s people. He loves what America has given him and what it promises for all of us. He loves the military and police forces as her protectors, he loves the cities and what we have all built together throughout our history, and he sees her as Reagan’s shining city on a hill.

Cruz almost feels like an outsider that appreciates what America is but it isn’t really apart of it.

While Trump is very much apart of our country and expects us all to take ownership and responsibility for her.

I guess it would boil down to Cruz intellectualizes the American experience while Trump lives it.


21 posted on 12/09/2015 10:25:20 AM PST by Amntn
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To: Amntn

In before the biased ‘scorecard’ :)


22 posted on 12/09/2015 10:25:47 AM PST by Jane Long (Go Trump, go! Make America Safe Again :)
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To: Reagan Disciple
Would he need to explain donating to the very person he would be running against?

That's easy, she's corrupt. And by the way, should be in jail. He'd have a blast with Hillary.

23 posted on 12/09/2015 10:25:54 AM PST by Defiant (There are two Republican parties--the GOPe and the PRP (People's Republican Party). PRP will win.)
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To: Reagan Disciple

We know Trump has baggage but the media have already thrown everything they can at him and he is still standing.

They have not attempted to take Cruz down yet.


24 posted on 12/09/2015 10:26:49 AM PST by Amntn
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To: Jane Long

Twister anyone?


25 posted on 12/09/2015 10:27:32 AM PST by Amntn
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To: Oldpuppymax; All

This is the best “Coach” article ever. Highly thought out, and well explained.

BTTT


26 posted on 12/09/2015 10:29:52 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (My Batting Average( 1,000) since Nov 2014 (GOPe is that easy to read))
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To: Timber Rattler
Cruz was born in Canada, to an American mother and a Cuban citizen father. Like it or not, Cruz would have to fight a continual battle to prove his eligibility. He only gave up his duel Canadian citizenship in May 2014 when the media called him on this.

Meh. Apparently you can be from Venus and it's just hunky-dory. Look at The Won -- I'm pretty sure he's from Uranus.

27 posted on 12/09/2015 10:31:32 AM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Amntn

Huh? Not tried? They have labeled him a right wing nut to be ignored.

And what makes you think he would wilt under the attack?


28 posted on 12/09/2015 10:32:08 AM PST by Reagan Disciple (Peace through Strength)
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To: Defiant

So the corrupt businessman donated to the corrupt power couple? For favors? For access? For contracts?

I don’t agree with that, but that’s the natural next question based on your line of thinking.


29 posted on 12/09/2015 10:33:46 AM PST by Reagan Disciple (Peace through Strength)
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To: Timber Rattler
"That ship has already sailed."

No that ship has not sailed. Obama provided proof that he was born in the USA. No precedent was set.

30 posted on 12/09/2015 10:36:43 AM PST by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied, Otto Von Bismarck)
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To: Reagan Disciple

I don’t think he would wilt under the attack. I just don’t think enough of the electorate would stand up for him.

And no, he has not been under the deluge of the media yet.
They are saving that until after they take Trump out.


31 posted on 12/09/2015 10:38:52 AM PST by Amntn
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To: jpsb
Obama provided proof that he was born in the USA.

Did he now?

32 posted on 12/09/2015 10:41:30 AM PST by Timber Rattler ("To hold a pen is to be at war." --Voltaire)
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To: chris37
There is a procedure for a child broad to acquire birth citizenship, note I did not say natural born citizenship, just citizenship at birth. This procedure has been in place since 1910. From search.ancestry.com

Contained in this database are birth reports from U.S. Consulates abroad between the years of 1910 and 1949. The report form is called A Consular Report of Birth Abroad and is primary proof of the individual's American citizenship. To qualify, the child must have either two U.S. citizen parents with one of the parents having resided in the U.S. prior to the child's birth, or one of the child's parents must be a U.S. citizen who has resided in the U.S. for a specified number of years previous to the child's birth.

From the US State Department A child born abroad to a U.S. citizen parent or parents may acquire U.S. citizenship at birth if certain statutory requirements are met. The child's parents should contact the nearest U.S. embassy or consulate to apply for a Consular Report of Birth Abroad of a Citizen of the United States of America (CRBA) to document that the child is a U.S. citizen. If the U.S. embassy or consulate determines that the child acquired U.S. citizenship at birth, a consular officer will approve the CRBA application and the Department of State will issue a CRBA, also called a Form FS-240, in the child's name.

The procedure is as documented for US Armed forces families at military.findlaw.com but this procedure applies to all US citizens living aboard.

From military.findlaw

If the parents are married to each other, the child is a U.S. citizen if

One parent is a U.S. citizen, and the U.S. citizen parent lived in the U.S. for at least five years prior to the child's birth, at least two of which were after the age of fourteen.

In Cruzs' case the above is applicable. Then the procedure to acquire "birth citizenship" is:

After the parents have determined that their child is a U.S. citizen, they need to apply for a Consular Report of Birth Abroad at the nearest U.S. consulate. The parents will need to submit an application (PDF), along with documentation proving the parents' citizenship and the record of the child's birth from the resident country. The Consular Report of Birth Abroad can be used later as proof of the child's U.S. citizenship, and may be used to obtain a U.S. passport for the child.

See more at: http://military.findlaw.com/family-employment-housing/military-children-born-abroad.html#sthash.1zXFHWSD.dpuf

Has Cruz released his FS-240

33 posted on 12/09/2015 10:45:07 AM PST by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied, Otto Von Bismarck)
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To: Oldpuppymax

BTW, Coach, have you EVER responded on one of these blogthreads you’ve posted?

Because I can’t find evidence of it. You post and run.


34 posted on 12/09/2015 10:51:35 AM PST by CatherineofAragon ("A real conservative will bear the scars...will have been in the trenches fighting."--- Ted Cruz)
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To: Amntn

So you’re saying is Cruz was the nominee all Conservatives, most Republicans and Reagan democrats would simply slip back into the shadows and leave him twisting?

Look to Reagan 1980......same deal. They all though Anderson was going to take all the “middle road” voters and the base would stay home. Complete opposite happened.


35 posted on 12/09/2015 10:55:44 AM PST by Reagan Disciple (Peace through Strength)
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To: Oldpuppymax

Finally, intelligent, rational thought. I’ve been saying this over and over.


36 posted on 12/09/2015 11:02:57 AM PST by Duchess47 ("One day I will leave this world and dream myself to Reality" Crazy Horse)
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To: jpsb

Okay.

The child is a U.S. citizen.


37 posted on 12/09/2015 11:06:46 AM PST by chris37 (heartless)
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To: CatherineofAragon

Obama was born in Hawaii with one American parent.
Cruz was born in Canada with one American parent.

Obama went to Harvard, President of the Harvard Law Review.
Cruz went to Harvard, Primary Editor of Harvard Law Review.

Obama was a one term Senator.
Cruz is a one term Senator.

Obama ran on Hope and Change.
Cruz runs on Washington Cartel.

Can you not see? The media, the opposition will kill Cruz in this election. People have had almost 8yrs of Obama. Do you think they will vote for someone with the same background, no matter what the ideological differences?

Just pointing out the similarities will stop many people from even looking further. If you think the media and the opposition will not touch this because of Obama you are dreaming.


38 posted on 12/09/2015 11:15:11 AM PST by Duchess47 ("One day I will leave this world and dream myself to Reality" Crazy Horse)
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To: Reagan Disciple
It's not corrupt for a businessman to donate to a politician for access. It's the way business is done, especially in New York. If you have investors, it is your duty. It is not legally corrupt for a politician to accept the money, but with a wink and a nod, they give their best contributors their favors. That is corrupt. A politician's duty is to do what they believe to be in the best interests of their constituents, not their contributors.

Ergo, Hillary is corrupt, while a contributor is not, if there is no quid pro quo. Not that anyone will analyze it to that degree. As I said, all he has to do is say Hillary is corrupt and he was a business man. It turns it on her, and she will look dumb and speechless.

39 posted on 12/09/2015 11:15:15 AM PST by Defiant (There are two Republican parties--the GOPe and the PRP (People's Republican Party). PRP will win.)
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To: Reagan Disciple

I’m saying Cruz is not polling all that well to begin with so when when the media unleashes on him, only the conservatives and evangelicals will stand by him.

They will vote for him but I’m not sure how enthusiastic they would be.

There is no evidence of cross-over appeal and Cruz being able to draw Reagan democrats. I think they would probably just stay home.

I was thrilled when Reagan ran and won but Cruz just does not have the same appeal or enthusiasm going for him.


40 posted on 12/09/2015 11:18:13 AM PST by Amntn
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