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Chicago Juries Using Jury Nullification for Gun Cases?
Gun Watch ^ | 26 October, 2015 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 10/29/2015 7:33:03 AM PDT by marktwain



Is jury nullification being used in Chicago gun cases?  In strict parlance, jury nullification refers to the right of jurors to judge both the facts and the law.  If a juror believes that justice will not be served by following the law, they always have the right to vote not guilty.

 It has always been the right of American jurors to do so, but about 1900, judges stopped telling jurors that they had that right, and gradually that decision morphed into an assumption by judges that it was wrong for jurors to assert their rights.  In spite of the antipathy of the court system to juror's rights to nullify bad law, they still have the right to do so.  

In Chicago, the police are having a harder time getting convictions on gun possession cases.  From chicago.suntimes.com:

But even though they’re winning seven of every 10 gun cases, Cook County prosecutors acknowledge they’re having a tougher time getting convictions.
In part, that’s because of the public’s concern over police tactics in the wake of high-profile shootings of African-Americans by police officers around the country, according to both prosecutors and defense attorneys. They say that’s caused growing skepticism among jurors about the credibility of police officers.

“It is probably more difficult to prove these gun possession cases than it has been in the past,” said Fabio Valentini, chief of the criminal prosecutions bureau for the Cook County state’s attorney’s office. “I think it makes sense that the events of the last couple of years have affected the way that jurors look at police narratives.”
Strictly speaking, that is not jury nullification.  That is just jurors being diligent at their job.   If the police account seems unreasonable, jurors should be cautious about convicting.  

Numbers from the article are interesting.  The article says that police collected about 7,000 illegal guns in 2014, and about 5,500 in the first nine months of 2015.  In 2013, Chicago seized 6,800 guns.  That is a total of 19,300 guns for 2013, 2014 and the first nine months of 20 15.   In the same period, there were 5,700 illegal gun possession cases decided in the Cook County court system in the same period, about 3.4 guns per case.  

I suspect that quite a few of the guns collected do not come from criminal activity, but simply from someone inheriting a gun that they have no interest in, and which they have difficulty legally disposing of.  There are no gun stores in Chicago proper, so a person unfamiliar with guns could be uncertain about how to dispose of a firearm.  Turning it in to police might seem the safest option.

4,100 of the 5,700 cases ended in convictions, the vast majority from plea bargains.  In the other 1,600 cases, the defendants were not convicted.  In about 600 cases, the prosecutor dropped the charges.  It is not clear how many of the remaining 1,000 cases were cleared by a judge, and how many ended in jury trials. 

As part of the passage of the shall issue law in Illinois in 2013, Chicago dropped its requirement for registration of handguns in the City.  People still must have a Firearms Owners Identification Card to merely possess, let alone carry, a firearm. 

We are not seeing a wholesale application of jury nullification in Chicago, but skeptical jurors are making sure that the police follow the rules more carefully.


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TOPICS: Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: banglist; chicago; guncontrol; jury; nullification
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1 posted on 10/29/2015 7:33:04 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

The FOID card is an infringement of rights and should be abolished.


2 posted on 10/29/2015 7:42:08 AM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: marktwain

The only people that should be convicted of gun crimes in Chicago are Government Employees.


3 posted on 10/29/2015 7:49:35 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (America, a Rule of Mob nation)
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To: marktwain
Except in criminal use of a gun, I'd nullify too.
4 posted on 10/29/2015 7:57:56 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: marktwain
I hope they are.

I wonder why stuff like this:

state’s attorney’s

keeps showing up in so many articles today?

5 posted on 10/29/2015 8:21:11 AM PDT by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: MileHi

Interesting. I note that is from the quoted article, which was cut and pasted from the original, to avoid transcription errors.

It is something different.


6 posted on 10/29/2015 8:30:37 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Yes, and that is in many articles for some reason.

Anyhow, I enjoy your work.


7 posted on 10/29/2015 8:33:44 AM PDT by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: MileHi

Thank you for the kind words. It has become my passion.


8 posted on 10/29/2015 8:35:47 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: MileHi

Left-overs from NSA monitoring,

or encrypted ISIS messages???


9 posted on 10/29/2015 8:45:21 AM PDT by Scrambler Bob (Using 4th keyboard due to wearing out the "/" and "s" on the previous 3)
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To: Scrambler Bob

Must be...


10 posted on 10/29/2015 8:46:35 AM PDT by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: MileHi
I wonder why stuff like this:
state’s attorney’s
keeps showing up in so many articles today?

Part of the ongoing attack on FR?

11 posted on 10/29/2015 9:24:03 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: JimRed; marktwain

Here’s a thread about it

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3354251/posts


12 posted on 10/29/2015 9:42:19 AM PDT by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: marktwain

In Florida, the pesky problem of jury nullification is taken care of during juror selection.

I was booted from a jury pool when we were asked if we had a problem possibly sending a 16 1/2 year old boy to prison for statutory rape if he shacked up with a 15 year 10 month old girl.

About three fourths of the pool raised their hands. The judge thanked us and we were dismissed.

The logic is that in a republic, the law is our own. Unlike back in 1775, the law isn’t forced on us and we elect our own local judges. If the law is oppressive or unjust, we have only ourselves to blame.


13 posted on 10/29/2015 10:05:54 AM PDT by Jacquerie ( To shun Article V is to embrace tyranny.)
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To: marktwain
Ballot box > jury box > cartridge box.

Looks like in this case the jury box is protecting the cartridge box.

14 posted on 10/29/2015 1:34:44 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney (,)
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To: marktwain
I've never been on a jury but if it ever happens I will evaluate the legitimacy of the law involved,the legitimacy of applying it to that defendant in that way *and* the evidence presented by the prosecution.If I'm dissatisfied with *any* of the three I vote not guilty and urge fellow jurors to do the same.

Regarding legitimacy of the law an excellent example comes to mind..."hate crimes".I absolutely reject the legitimacy of all such laws and would never vote guilty on such a charge.

15 posted on 10/30/2015 3:45:51 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Obamanomics:Trickle Up Poverty)
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