Neocons, the Inquisition, Russophobia and Lies

By Julio Severo

A charge of “liar” is a very serious charge. In his article “Putin’s Paid and Unpaid Liars,” Cliff Kincaid, a Catholic neocon, levels this charge against Don Hank, an evangelical conservative.

Kincaid’s contention with Hank is over Malaysian flight MH17, destroyed last year in eastern Ukraine, killing all 283 passengers. Hank opined, in an e-mail group, that there are doubts about the culprit in this case.

For Kincaid, there are no doubts now that the Dutch Safety Board has issued a report indicating that a Russian BUK missile is to blame for the “crash” — this is the official word used in the Dutch report. Kincaid used the results of this report as a base for his charge of “liar” against Hank.

Yet, even Kincaid’s own readers have doubts about Kincaid’s article. They said:

“Kincaid concludes that the missile was made in Russia and had to have been fired by a Russian. Yet there is nothing in the Dutch report whatsoever that leads to this conclusion. Kincaid either is incompetent or lying or he is expressing his view and not the report’s conclusion. The only conclusion that the report reaches is one that we already knew: if a Buk missile brought down the airliner, it was a Russian-made missile. The Dutch report does not say who fired it. The report places no blame on Russia, but it does place blame on Ukraine for not closing the airspace over the war area.” — RMThoughts

“But the unanswered question being (at least I've not seen it yet), What was Malaysian Airlines doing flying over a war zone?” — Steve Tanton

“That wasn’t the plane’s original flight-path. It was re-routed in mid-flight by Kiev ATC.” — RaisingMac

“Kincaid’s opening paragraph is proof of his paranoia over Russia. Like...,duh...all buk missiles were made in USSR/Russia!! Ukraine has thousands of them. Kincaid totally ignores the facts about the whole scenario. The Ukraine military had control of the firing location, not the freedom fighters of Donbass.” — Peter

“Really want to get to the bottom of the MH17 mystery? Then have the Pentagon release their satellite and radar data of E. Ukraine on the day of the incident. Have Kiev release their air traffic control transcripts from the flight. And have the Dutch Safety Board release the contents of the plane’s black box. Until that happens, the cui bono points towards Ukraine, which wanted the EU to sanction Russia.” — RaisingMac

Kincaid was unable to convince his own readers. So he will probably have to label them “Putin’s Paid and Unpaid Liars.”

During the Ronald Reagan administration, an Iranian passenger flight was shot down by the U.S. military. All 290 men, women and children on board died. America had and has the most sophisticated high-precision weapons ever, but even so she committed this “error.” There was no international court to convict the government responsible for this crime.

I have always admired Reagan and I consider him the best world president in the last 100 years. But a crime was committed. Contrasting to the Malaysian shootdown, where there is obscure culpability (Russia has BUK missiles? Ukraine has lot of them too!), in the American case there was clear culpability (the Iranian Airbus A300 B2-203 was destroyed by SM-2MR surface-to-air missiles. Only America had such missiles. Iran had none of them).

In the 1980s, people called me a paid agent of Americans because I supported all the conservative stances of Reagan, including his wars. But when people questioned how I could support Reagan given the clear U.S. culpability in the scandal of the Iranian civil plane shot down, I had no answer.

If Kincaid has a case against Putin because of a missile owned by Russians and Ukrainians, why has he not a case against Reagan because of a missile owned only by Americans?

And why did Kincaid call Ukrainian separatists “terrorists”? Has he forgotten the Alamo? Ukraine now has their Alamo. If separatists are not allowed to fight for their turf, Kincaid should urge the U.S. government to return Texas to Mexico, because in his logic Americans who fought to separate Texas from Mexico were terrorists.

Pat Buchanan, a former Republican presidential candidate and Reagan adviser, suggested in his article “Putin: Imitator of U.S. foreign policy,” published in his weekly column at WorldNetDaily, that we should compare Ukrainian separatists to…

“…how Sam Houston and friends brought about the secession of Texas from Mexico, and its annexation by the United States in 1845. When the Mexicans tried to retrieve a disputed piece of their lost Texas territory, James K. Polk accused them of shedding American blood on American soil, had Congress declare war, sent Gen. Winfield Scott and a U.S. army to Mexico City, and annexed the entire northern half of Mexico, which is now the American Southwest and California.”

In his article “Putin crosses Obama’s pink line,” also published at WorldNetDaily, conservative writer Michael Savage declared that the Ukrainian crisis was orchestrated by the Obama administration, especially neocons — neo-conservatives, who are present in both major U.S. parties. Savage said,

“The neocons… thrive on military conflict. When the world is at war, the neocons and the defense contractors who work with them make enormous amounts of money. The neocons don’t care which side you’re on, as long as they can work with you to create a political situation that they can grow into a war from which they will profit.”

In another WorldNetDaily piece, Buchanan denounces “a reflexive Russophobia that passes for thought in the think tanks.” This Russophobia, especially promoted by neocons, hinders them from accepting conservative stances of Russia.

Buchanan is a real traditionalist Catholic. As a conservative pro-family and pro-life Catholic leader, Buchanan is much better known and balanced than Kincaid is.

I am sure that a radical leftist Kincaid would have called Sam Houston and Reagan “terrorists.” And he would include me also as a “terrorist” because of my pro-Reagan stances. Conversely, a neocon Kincaid would call Ukrainian separatists and Putin “terrorists.”

I admire the conservative stances of Russia today, even though I admire Reagan more, because he was an evangelical. Before Kincaid does to me what he did to Don Hank, calling me a Putin’s paid or unpaid liar, he should come to visit me and see in my small home library the Reagan biographies I cherish.

Do you know what I call “terrorists”? Days ago WorldNetDaily (my favorite conservative website) reported, “U.S. delivers 50 tons of ammo to Syrian rebels.”

Other WorldNetDaily reports say that these rebels fight, with ISIS and al-Qaeda, against Syrian president Assad, a Russian ally who, notwithstanding, protects the Christian community in Syria. This is one of the oldest Christian communities in the world. WorldNetDaily has said that these rebels torture, rape and kill Christians. Even so, the U.S. intentionally sent 50 tons of ammo to them. This is a crime against humankind. This is a crime against us, Christians. Is not Kincaid worried about THIS U.S. keeping its demonic supremacy at the expense of our Christian blood?

Why has the U.S. never sent those many arms to Christians persecuted by rebels?

Why has the U.S. never sent this much of weapons to Christians persecuted by ISIS? Why has the U.S. been helping these Islamic rebels, who torture, rape and slaughter Syrian Christians?

Kincaid and other neocons do not seem to care about Syrian Christians persecuted by U.S. allies. Anti-Russia stances are their main concern.

Anti-Russian activists are strange creatures — they are generally neocons. One of Kincaid’s anti-Russian friends, Brazilian Catholic philosopher Olavo de Carvalho, plays down the horrors of the Inquisition. He has said about the Inquisition:

“Even in the popular image of the Inquisition fires lies are predominant. Everybody believe that condemned individuals ‘died burned,’ amid horrible suffering. The flames were high, more than 16 feet high, to hinder suffering. The condemned individuals (less than ten a year in two dozen nations) died suffocated in a few minutes, before the flames could touch them.”

He also said:

“The myth of the Inquisition has been the most extensive and lasting campaign of slander and defamation in history until today, with multi-million dollar funding, and it seems this campaign will have no end. Those who created it were not Illuminatists or communists. It was created by Protestants, who keep promoting it even today, and the irradiant center is U.S. churches. This is a historical fact that all professional historians today know, and it has nothing to do with ‘theological debates.’”

So, has a “myth” tortured and killed thousands of Jews and Protestants? Generally, Carvalho believes that Russians create destructive myths. But in the case of the Inquisition, he alleges that it was created by Americans.

This week, Kincaid friend Carvalho published in Portuguese Kincaid’s “Putin’s Paid and Unpaid Liars,” even though he was aware that this piece attacks Hank, who translated into English the first article by Carvalho published at WorldNetDaily. In fact, I got to know Hank through Carvalho.

Kincaid, who loves to attack perceived inconsistencies, has never said: “How can you, Carvalho, simultaneously defend conservative values and the Inquisition? This is hypocrisy!”

Carvalho’s Inquisition stances are public and open, freely available in his writings and Facebook in Portuguese.

Hank has many public writings. But the specific information Kincaid used to attack Hank is not public. Kincaid took information from the private email group of Hank. I wonder if he asked permission. I am in Hank’s group and I am also in the private group of John Haskins, who some time ago mentioned that a member of the Inter-American Institute, headed by Carvalho, finds that Russophobes greatly exaggerate what they say about Russia. When I asked Haskins’ permission to use his excellent comments, he did not grant. I complied. But in my place, Kincaid would have used it without any permission whatsoever.

Last year, Kincaid attacked an international pro-life and pro-family meeting in Moscow just because it was hosted by Russians. I was in this meeting and I did not see any speaker or participant named “Alexander Dugin,” who, according to Carvalho’s and Kincaid’s exaggerations, is the greatest conservative or leader in Russia. I was in the most important conservative meeting in Russia, with many international Catholic, Protestant and Jewish conservatives, and there was no Dugin there, who is an admirer of René Guénon, a French Catholic who converted to esoteric Islam. Another admirer is Carvalho himself, who translated into Portuguese one of Guénon’s books. Carvalho also founded in Brazil the first tariqa, an esoteric Islamic center. Even though Carvalho seems disavow today such dark experiences, many of his current writings praise and recommend Guénon.

In my Christian view, to praise and recommend the sorcerer Guénon is dangerous. Conservative writer Nancy Pearcey labels Guénon a New Age advocate.

For both Kincaid and Carvalho, to defend the conservative stances of Russia is “dangerous” and makes you a “paid agent.” But to defend the Inquisition and its horrors is completely OK for Carvalho, to Kincaid’s friendly silence.

Ben-Zion Netanyahu, a well-regarded historian who worked at both Hebrew University of Jerusalem and Cornell University, wrote a massive book on the Inquisition, praised by the Jewish Journal, which said that “’The Origins of the Inquisition in Fifteenth Century Spain,’ a scholarly magnum opus and in-depth tome on the Spanish Inquisition, describes how the Catholic Church persecuted, and often executed, masses of Jewish converts to Catholicism who were accused of secretly practicing Judaism.” Ben-Zion Netanyahu is father of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

Dr. D. James Kennedy, a renowned pro-life conservative leader, said of the Inquisition, especially the Spanish Inquisition: “It was deplorable in the highest degree—a monstrous epic of brutality and barbarity. It was diabolical in its nature.”

Even so for Carvalho, the Inquisition was not so diabolical.

A common problem in Brazilians is hypocrisy. During the military rule in Brazil, leftist activists, who complained against capitalism, chose exile in England, Sweden and even the United States, the most capitalist nation in the world. Why did anticapitalists choose to live in the most capitalist nations in the world?

Carvalho frequently complains about Protestantism (not the liberal Protestantism, but all Protestantism), but he chose exile in the largest Protestant nation in the world. Why does a man who complains about Protestantism choose to live in the most Protestant nation in the world?

Carvalho exalts Catholicism as the greatest bulwark against Marxism, but he has fled Brazil, the largest Catholic nation in the world, because he thinks that Marxism is controlling Brazil.

Catholic Brazil is rife with Marxism and Progressivism because the Brazilian Catholic Church is rife with Marxism and Progressivism!

As a Brazilian, I can say that the Catholic Church is to blame for the dominant Marxist ideology in Brazilian society.

Yet, anti-Russian activists do not see these problems. They see only Russia. They are inconsistent from a Christian perspective. I am TOTALLY against the Soviet Union and pro-Reagan. My issue is VALUES. But an anti-Russian activist is always against Russia: before, during and after the Soviet Union. Their issue is RUSSIA and its people.

Kincaid has inconsistencies and people like him, including Carvalho, are also rife with inconsistencies.

I fear that a strident anti-Marxism can be a cloak for other radicalisms (see my article: http://bit.ly/1KlZBjp).

Earlier this year, Cliff Kincaid, based on Olavo de Carvalho’s views, misrepresented the Brazilian political scenario by saying that protests were an anti-Marxist revolution in Brazil. My rebuttal to Kincaid explained that the sources for the protests were strictly economic.

In another piece, I explained that even during the military rule (which was relatively conservative, but not pro-Reagan) there were also massive protests, but not because the Brazilian people wanted communism. The source for the protests were similarly economic.

I also said that the only conservative inspiration for Brazilians during the military rule were American televangelists, especially Pat Robertson and Jimmy Swaggart, who cultivated pro-Reagan and pro-conservative stances in the evangelical population in Brazil. I am their blessed fruit.

Yet, my rebuttal to Kincaid and his misrepresentations of the political situation in Brazil did not label him a liar or a paid agent. It was a courteous rebuttal.

Now, I need to defend Hank from Kincaid’s discourteous “rebuttal.”

Don Hank and especially WorldNetDaily were extremely supportive of me when PayPal eliminated my account, under the pressure of the U.S. homosexualist organization AllOut, to hinder me from receiving donations from my international readers for my family of six children. Hank defended me and exposed PayPal. WorldNetDaily ran a headline on me.

Hank is not a liar. He is a conservative American who helps Christians in dire situations, exposing their oppressors. If Kincaid — and also Olavo de Carvalho, who honored Kincaid’s defamatory piece by publishing it in Portuguese — thinks that Hank is a paid agent (or explicitly: a paid liar), my challenge is for a commission of international investigative officials to examine our bank accounts (of me, Hank, Kincaid and Carvalho) to reveal to the world our financial sources.

Let us open our financial books. Let such a commission investigate us.

Only in this way will everybody know who is really being paid to lie.

Portuguese version of this article: Neocons, a Inquisição, russofobia e mentiras

Source: Last Days Watchman

Recommended Reading:

Cliff Kincaid: Were Brazilian Protests an Anti-Marxist Counter-Revolution?

Interview with Don Hank: Interpreting What is Happening in the U.S., Europe and Russia today

To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

I believe russians are incompetent, not stupid.

21 posted on 10/22/2015 4:21:59 PM PDT by dila813

I’m not sure what any of what you just wrote to me applies to anything, but: Abortion is very much legal in Russia, and the “Orthodox Church” is more an arm of the state than legitimate entity. Yes, a majority of Russians identify as Orthodox. No, only 7 percent even go to church once a month, and otherwise are perfectly content in the madness that makes up their daily lives:

http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/article/land-magical-thinking-inside-putin%E2%80%99s-russia

From the article:

“In Russia, “corrupt” is not an adjective. Corrupt is a noun, a proper noun, the word for the name and nature of the place.

Corrupt crony capitalism is familiar everywhere. But in Russia the corruption is so pervasive that even the cronies have to pay bribes, not just to the higher-ups but to the lower-downs.

Pomerantsev visits a TV studio owned by Kremlin-connected moguls. It’s in a shabby warehouse on the wrong side of town. There’s no sign or address on the metal door. Inside is a dirty little room with a drunk guard.

Pomerantsev goes down a dark corridor and up two flights of dingy stairs to another unmarked metal door. Behind that is a modern, well-lit, busy Western-style production facility. But there’s an inconspicuous door here as well, with a secret code pad. And behind that is a more modern, better-lit, even busier production facility with an even less conspicuous door with an even more secret code leading to the real offices of the moguls, where the real business accounts are kept.”

See more at link above. Another good article on Christian persecution in Ukraine:

EASTERN UKRAINE — Ukraine’s evangelical Christians are bearing the brunt of the country’s conflict, often with deadly consequences.

It’s a scene that has played in Elena Velichko’s head over and over. Pro-Russian rebels took over her hometown in early April. Her husband Vladimir told her to take the kids and leave the city.

“He took us to the train station and we said goodbye. He said, ‘I love you.’ He kissed me and kissed the children and left,” Elena said.

Several days later, her life and that of her eight children, ages 2 to 16, suddenly turned upside down.

Surreal Reality

It was June 8, Pentecost Sunday. The church was half empty. That’s because the city was under tremendous assault by both the pro-Russian separatists and the Ukrainian army.

Once the church service ended everybody made their way to the front of the church to go home.

But then the unimaginable happened.

“The church called and said my husband, along with three other believers, had been taken by men who were waiting outside the church,” Elena said.

Alexander Gayvoronski, a church deacon, was there that Sunday morning.

“The men wore masks and had machine guns. They told the four Christian men to get into their cars,” Gayvoronsi said.

The rebels took the pastor’s sons, Ruvim and Albert Pavenko, Victor Brodarsky, and Elena’s husband, Vladimir.

Multiple sources told CBN News what then happened to the four Christian captives.

First rebels took them outside the city and tortured them. The next day the men were put in car and told to drive away.

Then, minutes later they were recaptured and shot multiple times. Elena’s husband was burned in the car.

snip...

That same day rebels burned down the largest furniture factory that belonged to Ruvim and Albert Pavenko’s father.

It had become clear rebels were targeting the city’s evangelical community.

Snip...

Sergey Demidovich, a top evangelical leader in Slavyansk, said Christians face constant threat.

“I never thought in the 21st century, in [a] free country as Ukraine, it was possible to experience this level of persecution,” Demidovich said. “The separatists saw Protestant Christians as enemies. They viewed us as cults.”

But the persecution was just getting started.

“All the Protestant churches in the city were either taken over by rebels or forced to close. We were forbidden to meet for services and the leadership forced to leave or be under risk of arrest,” Demidovich said.

And the persecution is spreading far beyond just this city. Throughout the Donetsk and Luhansk regions, as rebels gain more territory, assaults against evangelicals are growing.

snip...

“When I was in prison, a rebel soldier told me they have an order to kill all the Christian pastors who are not part of the Russian Orthodox Church,” Anatoly, a pastor from Luhansk, said.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3234770/posts

22 posted on 10/22/2015 4:32:59 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)

Committing crimes, creating crisis, and then blaming what you do on your victims, are old Communist tactics.

23 posted on 10/22/2015 4:34:17 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)

You should read this article: Christians’ Love of the Warfare State Is Killing Other Christians http://lastdayswatchman.blogspot.com/2015/01/christians-love-of-warfare-state-is.html

Ironically, the so-called "Christian's" love of the "warfare state," as you put it, is what drives the passion for Vladimir Putin's manly pecks.

24 posted on 10/22/2015 4:35:52 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)

To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Putin is playing American right wing dissidents of various stripes in the same manner that Lenin and Stalin played the American left. The conservative establishment has, since the salad days of William Buckley, purged dissidents. When the movement produced a Reagan and allied themselves with the Christian Right to continue electoral successes at the Congressional and state levels in the 1990s, it had the support of the conservative rank and file. The turning point occurred after the turn of this century, when the conservative establishment signed onto the no-win, prolonged wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and promoted the Bushes, McCain, and Romney. Additionally, the Christian Right leadership aged, retiring or dying before promoting new leaders. With that group weakened, the secular humanists and cultural Marxists got their cultural revolution back on track. The conservative establishment did precious little in way of resistance, As a result, the Heritage Foundation, National Review and similar publications, and the conservative radio talkers lost their grip on the 20-30 per cent of Americans who call themselves conservatives.

The factions once marginalized by Buckley were now empowered by the rise of the Internet and social media. The American Conservative, Infowars, and Lew Rockwell successfully compete with the web sites for National Review and Human Events. The paleoconservative, libertarian, and conspiracist websites are hostile to both the left of center Democrats and right of center Republicans, seeing both as twin evils. The Limbaughs and Bennetts of the world, who will defend moderate to slightly conservative alternatives to liberals, are losing ground. If you doubt this, look at the massive support of Donald Trump, with zero conservative credentials, in spite of the overall hostility of the conservative establishment, as exemplified by Fox News, pundits like George Will and Charles Krauthammer, and the GOP leadership.

Now you have an ex-KGB colonel who has risen to become the Russian dictator. He is facing the weakest American President ever, accompanied by the most important European leader, Angela Merkel, who appears dedicated to eliminating Germany as a nation through mass immigration, and a Pope who is, to put it kindly, a Christian socialist. The polar opposites to Reagan, Thatcher, and John Paul II. The way to winning support among disgruntled Americans and Western Europeans is to pose as the champion of Christianity and traditional values. Suppressing sexual perverts at home, which the atheistic regimes of Stalin and Castro did, defending Christians in the Middle East, a matter that did not trouble the younger Bush or Obama, and effectively fighting Muslim terrorists, in stark contrast to Obama's ineffectual efforts, will win lots of favor with non-liberal dissidents.

As French rightists once said, better Hitler than Blum, American and Western European rightists may today say, better Putin than Obama or Merkel.

In the longer term, Russia may gain an alliance with Syria, Iraq, and Iran that may force our regional allies like Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Israel to come to terms with the new reality in the Middle East. With relatively little risk, the Russians may become the dominant player in the world's energy markets with its new allies. For the first time since the mid-19th Century, the West will have lost its influence in this region of the world. Then Putin or his successor may turn his eyes on re-establishing the Soviet Union in fact if not in name. RIP, Ukraine and the Baltic States, even Poland.

25 posted on 10/22/2015 4:59:23 PM PDT by Wallace T.

To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

As French rightists once said, better Hitler than Blum, American and Western European rightists may today say, better Putin than Obama or Merkel.

26 posted on 10/22/2015 4:59:23 PM PDT by Wallace T.

Good article

Crazy people thread

27 posted on 10/22/2015 5:03:31 PM PDT by wardaddy (The establishment needs destroying)

To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

YOU ARE SO ANTI-RUSSIAN! Your logic is much interesting… Russia has been fighting abortion in the U.N. system and for you all of this is worthless because abortion is still legal in Russia. OK. Reagan was pro-life and he fought abortion in the U.N. system, but in your illogical logic, all his efforts were worthless because… abortion continued legal in America!

In this point, I understand that you are not conservative. You are just a America advocate, regardless this America is leftist or conservative. Now read this information sent to me by Rep. Chris Smith (whom I met some times):

Russia: Church and State Sign Agreement to Prevent Abortion

The Ministry of Health in Russia has signed an agreement with the Russian Orthodox Church that includes prevention of abortion and provision of palliative care. The agreement signed by Health Minister Veronika Skvortsova and Patriarch Kirill, the head of the Russian Orthodox Church, website was published on the of the Synodal Department for ROC Church Charity and Social Service.

Article 9 of the 21 article agreement establishes cooperation “on the protection of maternal and child health, including reproductive health, promotion of family values and prevention of abortion.” The agreement includes joint actions with medical institutions for the “creation of crisis pregnancy centers at hospitals with the participation of psychologists and representatives of religious organizations of the Russian Orthodox Church”; “the participation of representatives of religious organizations of the Russian Orthodox Church in advising women who are planning to terminate the pregnancy, in medical institutions” ; and for the provision of space for “posting information of religious organizations of the Russian Orthodox Church on the stands in medical institutions.”

Additionally, the two parties will also undertake “joint efforts to provide assistance and support to pregnant women whose prenatal diagnosis indicate to the malformation of the fetus, as well as mothers who give birth to a child with developmental disabilities.”

Under Article 5, the Orthodox Church will cooperate with the Health Ministry in the preparation of health professionals by providing formative instruction on the spiritual foundations of medical activities and by facilitating the interaction of medical organizations with organizations of the Russian Orthodox Church.

28 posted on 10/22/2015 5:22:30 PM PDT by juliosevero

I agree with you! If America were doing all conservative things Russia is doing, these crazy people would be saying: “America is great! America is living her God-given role at last!”

Yet, because Russia, not America, is doing it, their only reaction is sourness.

29 posted on 10/22/2015 5:26:13 PM PDT by juliosevero

YOU ARE SO ANTI-RUSSIAN! Your logic is much interesting… Russia has been fighting abortion in the U.N. system and for you all of this is worthless because abortion is still legal in Russia.

Well, if you're accusing a country, even a dictatorship, of being "pro-life," you would expect such a government to not be murderous! The fact that abortion is still legal there is just one point in the whole idea. There are many other victims to look at besides their own children.

As for the UN system, Russia benefits the most from it! The UN is ineffectual in Ukraine, but constantly torments western nations. By the way, even the global warming movement owes much thanks to Russian disinformation:

"Anders Fogh Rasmussen, secretary-general of the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (Nato), and former premier of Denmark, told the Chatham House thinktank in London on Thursday that Vladimir Putin’s government was behind attempts to discredit fracking, according to reports.

Rasmussen said: “I have met allies who can report that Russia, as part of their sophisticated information and disinformation operations, engaged actively with so-called non-governmental organisations - environmental organisations working against shale gas - to maintain European dependence on imported Russian gas.”

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/jun/19/russia-secretly-working-with-environmentalists-to-oppose-fracking

What a joke that there are people in the world so stupid as to believe that Russia is some kind of "conservative" country, working to save the world from leftism!

In this point, I understand that you are not conservative. You are just a America advocate, regardless this America is leftist or conservative.

Well, I'm to the right of Attila the Hun, but yes, I do love my country, whether liberal or conservative! That is why my wish and prayer is always to reform it when it is wrong, and to blow its trumpet when it is right! You will never find me cheering on the Russians as they murder us.

30 posted on 10/22/2015 5:32:22 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)

Crazy people thread

Terrible and fact free article, with really stupid people like you making comments!

31 posted on 10/22/2015 5:33:46 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)

To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Be nice

I’m nice to you even though you are admittedly a weird agent sometimes

I can be nasty too ask anyone

It’s harder to be cordial even in disagreement

What’s your personal thing in this?

Uke or Jewish?

Or both

I find the notion most Uke Jews are riding with these guys at Right Sector kinda far fetched

It’d be like Bibi noshing with Hezbollah

I don’t think Putin is an anti Semite but he did clean out uncooperative Oligarch Mafiosi except one who is his pard

32 posted on 10/22/2015 5:39:37 PM PDT by wardaddy (The establishment needs destroying)

Putin is playing American right wing dissidents of various stripes in the same manner that Lenin and Stalin played the American left.

It seems that every generation produces some Americans who reflexively take the side of any world leader who opposes the United States. In the Sixties, we had Jane Fonda, but she was not the only one.

And, as you can see from the support that a minority of Americans reflexively grants to Putin, nothing has changed. As soon as there arises any kind of dispute between the USA and some other country, there will always be some number of Americans who rush to support that other country and oppose the USA. Why? Because they resent this country, because they blame this country for the fact that they have been unable to succeed here. Never mind that Putin is cuddling up to Assad and Iran, never mind that he gave his missiles to drunks who used them to shot down a commercial airliner, never mind that his incompetence has destroyed his country's economy, never mind that he and his gangsters have looted their own country just like his buddies looted the crash site of that airliner, all that matters to these people is that he opposes the USA. That's good enough for them.

33 posted on 10/22/2015 5:49:13 PM PDT by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)

Be nice

You are a hypocrite, but thankfully you've never tormented me with too much sophistry! You're more of the hit and run type of fool, who slithers beneath the rock after the first thrashing.

I find the notion most Uke Jews are riding with these guys at Right Sector kinda far fetched

Because you are an idiot apparently ignorant of who is in Right Sector, and have no clue of who or what they even are to begin with, but still chose to remark anyway!

Chief of communications Right Sector Boris Blaher AKA Borislav Bereza

Nathan Chazin, Battalion Commander in Right Sector:

Joint charity drive between Jewish community in Odessa and Right Sector:

This one doesn't need an explanation:

Asher Cherkassky, a Jew-- not in right sector-- but in the Dnipro Battalion. I thought I'd include it as a bonus since he's so photogenic:

This article has more about him, and also discusses an IDF soldier's involvement in training Ukrainian militia in their fight against Russia:

http://ukrainianjewishencounter.org/en/media1/media-kit/latest-news/367-israeli-training-ukrainian-forces

34 posted on 10/22/2015 5:51:43 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)

To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Neo Nazi allied Jews

How weird

Pals of yours?

35 posted on 10/22/2015 6:08:51 PM PDT by wardaddy (The establishment needs destroying)

Neo Nazi allied Jews
How weird

Pals of yours?

Don't make me beat you to death with photos of Russian soldiers/separatists and their leaders posing with Swastikas! Those are YOUR buddies, judging by your use of the word "Uke." It will make you look even more stupid!

36 posted on 10/22/2015 6:12:06 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)

To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Puneeeee!

Quit being so nasty

What’s your deal here?

You hate Russkies I guess

I thought it might be the Jewish angle but this Jewish/Pravy Sektor thing stinks like toe jam

You remind me of a Bosniac poster here back in the old days who got zotted

Same hyperbolic stilted writing

I’m southern baptist old man in TN

Nothing personal in this fight for me but my 15 year old boy follows it close online

Seems to me I’m not real upset about Russian ethics in Donetsk wanting to leave the Ukraine

But I can see why Kiev ain’t digging it wth Putin up their butts

And both sides commit war crimes which seems natural in Eastern Europe for centuries

I’m ambivalent

But you rock on

I’ll contribute to your plane ticket and AK...,go get em!

Big Ukeland has is corruption rivaling Mexico

The people have no real faith in their government

Makes them vulnerable

37 posted on 10/22/2015 6:36:10 PM PDT by wardaddy (The establishment needs destroying)

Sir, we should have total loyalty to Israel, for this is the only nation chosen by God. America, or Russia, is not a new or old Israel. If America, or Russia, behaves well, they deserve support. If not, NO way! Yesterday, USSR was the evil empire. Today, America has fully filled the requirements for an evil empire.

For the time being, Russia deserves support for its conservatives stances. America does not receive any support today. And Israel always deserves our support.

38 posted on 10/22/2015 6:40:44 PM PDT by juliosevero

I’m ambivalent

Ambivalent to facts too, but apparently all too eager to bad mouth people for saying things like "the Russians clearly shot down MH17" or "the Russians are clearly lying and killing lots of innocent people!" Therein we know that you are a liar and a fiend.

39 posted on 10/22/2015 7:01:37 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)

To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

In this point, everybody understood that you are going to defend America, regardless how pro-abortion and pro-sodomy she is, and that you are going to attack Russia or any other country fighting the abortion and sodomy agenda.

40 posted on 10/22/2015 7:27:08 PM PDT by juliosevero

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