Skip to comments.Are Muslims Fatalists?
Posted on 09/19/2015 9:00:34 AM PDT by arthurus
After a building crane fell into Mecca's Grand Mosque on Sep. 11, 2015, killing 114 and injuring 394, the mosque's Imam Abdul Rahman Al Sudais visited the injured and, as he met each one, told them, "This is God's will."
Likewise, in February 2004, after a stampede killed at least 244 hajjis (pilgrims) in Mina, a town near Mecca, Saudi hajj minister Iyad Madani oxymoronically responded: "All precautions were taken to prevent such an incident, but this is God's will."
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When I lived in Istanbul as a child in the 50s one thing I remember vividly is my father driving the jeep in streets where the pedestrians took no thought at all to being hit. If they wanted to cross the street they crossed the street, looking neither right nor left. If God wills that an automobile run into me and kill me then so be it. If God wills that that I survive to reach the other side so be it. The drivers had the same attitudes toward pedestrians, though they managed to drive so as to avoid hitting each other.
I think their is a good dose of idiocy mixed in with the fatalism to make them complete.
There not their.
Churchill thought so.
During the Friday, 9/18/15 edition of FNN’s The Five, the hosts were posed questions from viewers. Each was asked two questions. One question was Who would you most like to interview? The other was Whose political campaign would you like to run?
Kimberly’s G’s response to the first was Winston Churchill. I just love Churchill. To the second, her reply was Carly Firorina after which she mumbled something like Yea Carly.
Kimberly is a very bright gal, but I suspect she is missing some vital information relative to her two selections as they each clearly hold very, very different views on THE most important topic that has faced the West for over 1200 years.
Allow me to contrast them for you:
First Churchill’s words from his The River Warwhen it was first published as a two-volume set in 1899. Unfortunately, THIS selection was removed when the book was condensed into one volume and republished in 1902. I can’t but wonder if a Muslim was involved in the later edit (aka sanitizing.)
How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries, improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.
A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement, the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.
Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.
Contrast THAT with this from Ms. Fiorina in a speech she delivered in September, 2001, less than 2 weeks after 9/11.
There was once a civilization that was the greatest in the world.
It was able to create a continental super-state that stretched from ocean to ocean, and from northern climes to tropics and deserts. Within its dominion lived hundreds of millions of people, of different creeds and ethnic origins.
One of its languages became the universal language of much of the world, the bridge between the peoples of a hundred lands. Its armies were made up of people of many nationalities, and its military protection allowed a degree of peace and prosperity that had never been known. The reach of this civilization’s commerce extended from Latin America to China, and everywhere in between.
And this civilization was driven more than anything, by invention. Its architects designed buildings that defied gravity. Its mathematicians created the algebra and algorithms that would enable the building of computers, and the creation of encryption. Its doctors examined the human body, and found new cures for disease. Its astronomers looked into the heavens, named the stars, and paved the way for space travel and exploration.
Its writers created thousands of stories. Stories of courage, romance and magic. Its poets wrote of love, when others before them were too steeped in fear to think of such things.
When other nations were afraid of ideas, this civilization thrived on them, and kept them alive. When censors threatened to wipe out knowledge from past civilizations, this civilization kept the knowledge alive, and passed it on to others.
While modern Western civilization shares many of these traits, the civilization I’m talking about was the Islamic world from the year 800 to 1600, which included the Ottoman Empire and the courts of Baghdad, Damascus and Cairo, and enlightened rulers like Suleiman the Magnificent.
Although we are often unaware of our indebtedness to this other civilization, its gifts are very much a part of our heritage. The technology industry would not exist without the contributions of Arab mathematicians. Sufi poet-philosophers like Rumi challenged our notions of self and truth. Leaders like Suleiman contributed to our notions of tolerance and civic leadership.
In light of the HORRORS still being perpetrated by Islam upon non Muslims beginning in the period she cites as the peak of Muslim culture, I would very much like to hear Ms. Fiorina renounce many of the points she made in that 2001 address. It was Muslims during the early part of those 800 years that brought the Christian Crusaders out of Western Europe to protect and avenge the thousands of Christian Pilgrims robbed, raped and murdered by Islam while simply attempting to visit Jerusalem and the Holy Land.
A distinctly politically INcorrect fact chucked down the old Memory Hole is that, among a few other causes, the hijacking of American ships and cargo, slaughter of captives and holding others for ransom by the Barbary Coast Pirates during the Jefferson Administration between 1801-1805 led to the expansion of our navy and the formation of the U.S. Marine Corps, whose members traveled aboard those ships for security. They are still called Leathernecks for the protective collars they wore to ward off the scimitars of these vicious Muslim bandits during their frequent battles. And the line in the Marine Hymn ...the shores of Tripoli is a direct reference to those savage encounters.
In 1904, a resident of Trenton, NJ, Ion Perdicaris,was taken captive by the leader of a later band of Muslim marauders. Their leader, Raisuli, demanded a ransom of $70,000. President Theodore Roosevelt refused to pay and uttered his now famous “Perdicaris alive or Raisuli dead!” Backing up his demand with a flotilla of U.S. battleships, Perdicaris was released unharmed.
(Rhetorical Question: Where is OUR Teddy Roosevelt?)
And, of course, we all know what the Muslims have been up to since.
Little has changed and Dr. Bill Warner explains WHY in this excellent video.
If you genuinely want to understand the TRUE, VIOLENT, DUALISTIC, SCHIZOPHRENIC nature of ISLAM in order to become part of a solution instead of part of the problem that spells doom for Western Civilization (and, NO, that’s not too extreme a statement), you need to spend 40 minutes with Dr. Bill Warner here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjBDDC4wVxk
(Don’t be concerned when Dr. Warner mentions that he sells books. Though I suggest you sample the info in the first 5 minutes if only to get a sense of how thorough his research has been, if short on time, slide out past the 5 minute mark for the red meat beyond. THAT’S where the really important stuff is.)
Orthodox Sunni Muslims are believers in absolute predestination (kadar). Not only does Allah will that you eat but he must will every point of the motion of your fingers from grasping the food to placing it in your mouth. This answer was required by Zeno’s Paradox of the Arrow and was the only answer available until the elucidation of the calculus. Thus the crane could not fall unless it was the will of Allah.
“Every Moslem Turk or Arab ends every statement of intent with “Mash’allah” - if God is willing.”
I always heard it was Insha’Allah, not “Mash’allah’.
Interesting piece by Pipes.
Thanks for posting.
Long but interesting Pong
My first thought was, "So, this is how it ends?" I looked around the cabin and made eye contact with a friend who was sitting across the aircraft from me. His eyes were wide and I knew he was thinking exactly what I was thinking.
As we were on Indonesia's national airline, I assumed everyone on the flight deck was Muslim. An image went through my mind of both pilot and co-pilot taking their hands away from the controls, casually folding their arms, saying "Insha'Allah," then calmly awaiting their fate. In this sitution, I had become fatalistic and quietly made my peace with God.
I was genuinely surprised when the roar of the engines returned and I felt the plane level out. This was soon followed by an announcement from the captain that the flight was returning to Jakarta to refuel.
So when this POS sheikh dies from being grossly obese, it will be Allah will...
Good, keep stuffing those camel burgers down your piehole...
They believe the moment they die is pre-determined when they are born. So, when that day arrives they can be driving on the wrong-side of the road up a hill on a blind curve, or sitting at home watching old Laverne and Shirley re-tuns. . .doesn’t matter, they will die when they are supposed to die.
This also explains why muslimes are horrible fighters no matter what gear you sell them or how hard you train them. . .if allah wants me to win, I win, and if allah wants me to lose, I lose no matter how much I train.
It looks like idiocy because they have more than there fair share of idiots here. I have been in this past of the world for quite a while. Believe me, there are some idiots here.
Essentially there is no Cause and Effect. You cannot argue reason with people who cannot reason.
You-re right. I confused the two. Mash’Allah is a blessing. It has been a long time.
It is cultural idiocy. There is surely a component of genetic idiocy also given the high level of inbreeding.
I agree with you.
When I was a visiting professor in Istanbul, one day my department chairman (a Turk) remarked to me that people will say they will do something, "Insh'Allah," i.e., if Allah wills it, but that means they won't do it.
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