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The long, sordid antivaccine history of Donald Trump
ScienceBlogs ^ | September 15, 2015 | Orac (David H. Gorski, MD, PhD, FACS)

Posted on 09/15/2015 1:44:46 PM PDT by EveningStar

... Trump is antivaccine to the core. Don’t believe me? Never heard this before? Oh, ye of little faith! Orac can back up this statement very easily. To begin, let’s take a trip down memory lane. Donald Trump might be hip, happening, and now as far as the media is concerned because of his skill for making outrageous and often offensive statements so full of burning stupid as to threaten to singe the fabric of reality, but one thing that isn’t frequently discussed is his long history of parroting antivaccine misinformation.

The first time I learned of Donald Trump’s antivaccine proclivities was way back in 2007. What was he saying back then? This:

“When I was growing up, autism wasn’t really a factor,” Trump said. “And now all of a sudden, it’s an epidemic. Everybody has their theory. My theory, and I study it because I have young children, my theory is the shots. We’ve giving these massive injections at one time, and I really think it does something to the children.” ...


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TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Politics; Science
KEYWORDS: 2016election; antivaccine; election2016; newyork; trump
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To: EEGator

[ We should go back to the days of no vaccinations. I heard it was awesome. ]

Hey Moron! Yes I am gonna flame you.

I believe in Vaccine Technology 100%.

However I don’t approve of forcing people using the heavily abusive power of the the fed gov to take them.

I also don’t approve in pushing unneeded vaccines like flu shots for every tom and dick and harry that is normally healthy and doesn’t always need them in order to fill big pharma’s pockets.

I don’t think that vaccines taken for minor maladies like flu and cold for able bodied people is a good thing. (remember how antibiotics abuse and over use has ushered in resistant bacteria that is now a big issue)

I also don’t approve of forcing vaccines on people because some pencil pushing government healthcare manager thinks it can save a few million bucks for Abomination-Care to justify forcing it.

I think Vaccines for deadly serious viruses and debilitating childhood diseases is a very good thing.

I don’t think giving these vaccines out like candy and all at once instead of spacing them is a good idea and those decisions should be informed and between doctor and parents.


61 posted on 09/15/2015 2:35:34 PM PDT by GraceG (Protect the Border from Illegal Aliens, Don't Protect Illegal Alien Boarders...)
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To: miss marmelstein

He said they should be spread out, not so many given at one time.


62 posted on 09/15/2015 2:36:39 PM PDT by muggs (Hope and Change = Hoax and Chains)
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To: EEGator

RE: “We should go back to the days of no vaccinations. I heard it was awesome.”

That is Not the kind of either or binary reaction that’s needed for this hugely important issue.

Very few argument the merits of Smallpox vaccination, for instance.
The issue is how do we best avoid and eliminate so many instances of vaccine injury or deaths.
European and Japanese vaccine schedules are much more conservative, than what we have here in the US.
Pharma-MD-FDA fight it because they are in it too deep to admit they have been negligent.
It’s gonna blow up in their face. Just watch what’s coming out of liability investigation discovery and trials here and abroad.


63 posted on 09/15/2015 2:40:22 PM PDT by MarchonDC09122009 (When is our next march on DC? When have we had enough?)
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To: Guenevere

Guenevere,my son and DIL wish they had not given their son the vaccines, especially the MMR. My grandson, 5 years old, is still in diapers, taking a bottle, can’t talk, etc. maybe vaccines cause autism or don’t cause autism but they will feel guilty for the rest of their lives.


64 posted on 09/15/2015 2:41:25 PM PDT by muggs (Hope and Change = Hoax and Chains)
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To: EEGator

[ “... Trump is antivaccine to the core.”

Do you think that is misleading? His own child gets vaccines. ]

To the MSM the term “Anti-Vacciner” means anyone who thinks any one of the following:

1. Vaccines should be spaced out over time and not all at once.

2. Healthy people should probably not be taking Flu shots every single year.

3. Parents should have the final say in the vaccination of their children.

4. Government should never be able to force people to take a vaccination.

5. There are some troublesome things that are put in vaccines besides the dead/weakened virus that are concerning.

6. They MAY be a link to vaccines and other childhood developmental disorders.

OMG, what extremists!


65 posted on 09/15/2015 2:42:48 PM PDT by GraceG (Protect the Border from Illegal Aliens, Don't Protect Illegal Alien Boarders...)
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To: EveningStar
A little trip to this web site shows that it is an extremely leftist piece of garbage web site.
66 posted on 09/15/2015 2:43:39 PM PDT by The Iceman Cometh (Proud Teabagging Barbarian Terrorist Hobbit Crazy Cracker Son-of-a-Bitch!)
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To: MarchonDC09122009

[ European and Japanese vaccine schedules are much more conservative, than what we have here in the US. ]

Anyone find is suspicious how the Libtards think we should always “be more like europe” but they never even practice THOSE ideals when they make common sense!!!!


67 posted on 09/15/2015 2:44:09 PM PDT by GraceG (Protect the Border from Illegal Aliens, Don't Protect Illegal Alien Boarders...)
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To: EveningStar

LOL, what a piece of trash blog posting.


68 posted on 09/15/2015 2:46:58 PM PDT by zzeeman ("We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality.")
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To: muggs

[ Guenevere,my son and DIL wish they had not given their son the vaccines, especially the MMR. My grandson, 5 years old, is still in diapers, taking a bottle, can’t talk, etc. maybe vaccines cause autism or don’t cause autism but they will feel guilty for the rest of their lives. ]

That is truly heartbreaking. If you read the vaccine docs that comes with the vaccine they do say in the small print that side effects can include brain swelling and other auto-immune reactions.

Much like how some people are allergic to certain foods, the “science” has not been “settled” on the side effects of vaccines and the combination of “adjuvants” or immune system accelerators that are used to cut the dead/disabled viruses with and how they react to individuals people.


69 posted on 09/15/2015 2:47:44 PM PDT by GraceG (Protect the Border from Illegal Aliens, Don't Protect Illegal Alien Boarders...)
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To: EEGator
"Referring to his and his wife Melania’s 22-month-old son Baron, Trump continued: “What we’ve done with Baron, we’ve taken him on a very slow process. He gets one shot at a time then we wait a few months and give him another shot, the old-fashioned way. But today they pump the children with so much at a very young age. We do it on a very, very conservative level.”"

Sounds like a very well reasoned approach. Not surprising.

70 posted on 09/15/2015 2:49:38 PM PDT by zzeeman ("We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality.")
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To: GraceG

You should read the string of replies before jumping to a conclusion, and you call someone a moron. Perhaps my comment was a counter to someone else’s nonsense comment.


71 posted on 09/15/2015 2:49:40 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: MarchonDC09122009

You are absolutely right, the schools are overwhelmed with special needs children. If my grandson is ever able to tolerate school, it will cost well over a million to get him from K-12.
That is probably the reason the state of Ohio gives kids with autism a $20,000 per year scholarship if they stay out of public schools.

My son and DIL decided on school this. He is in pre-school and it is not going well at all. Sadly they can’t get the scholarship again until next school year.


72 posted on 09/15/2015 2:51:18 PM PDT by muggs (Hope and Change = Hoax and Chains)
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To: MarchonDC09122009

If you wish, you can read the other replies I put which were not binary. I said what I did in that post as a reply to a particular post. Again, check if you want.

As an aside, every time someone says binary, I have digital logic flashbacks.


73 posted on 09/15/2015 2:52:10 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: odawg

35 years ago my son’s doctor recommended he not finish his series of DTP shots.


74 posted on 09/15/2015 2:54:11 PM PDT by muggs (Hope and Change = Hoax and Chains)
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To: EEGator

That was their attack on Trump?

Can almost bet this blog is staffed with 20-something sissy dudes with neck-beards.


75 posted on 09/15/2015 2:55:02 PM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: EEGator

[ You should read the string of replies before jumping to a conclusion, and you call someone a moron. Perhaps my comment was a counter to someone else’s nonsense comment. ]

You should quote who you are responding to so we don’t take it out of context and decide to break out the flame throwers. I had to hunt through all the comments to get the string of text you referred to.

Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V and the Brackets [ ] are you friends and flame proof suit.


76 posted on 09/15/2015 2:55:04 PM PDT by GraceG (Protect the Border from Illegal Aliens, Don't Protect Illegal Alien Boarders...)
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To: EveningStar

Trump is hardly alone. There have been research studies on this, and PBS has broadcast various documentaries on the topic.


77 posted on 09/15/2015 2:56:18 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: GraceG

The number you are replying to is in the bottom row of every reply.


78 posted on 09/15/2015 2:57:26 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: EveningStar
Interesting article
79 posted on 09/15/2015 2:59:32 PM PDT by jy8z (When push comes disguised as nudge, I do not budge.)
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To: miss marmelstein

I also get the flu shot, I got my yesterday. I have a lung condition and don’t need the flu.

I’ve had the flu and never want it again. Besides that, if my son, DIL and GS come down with the flu they will need someone to take care of them.


80 posted on 09/15/2015 2:59:37 PM PDT by muggs (Hope and Change = Hoax and Chains)
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