It took you that long to learn those things?
Posted on 09/07/2015 2:18:27 PM PDT by z taxman
A few days ago when asked about the couragous stand of Kim Davis, Trump essentially came out in support of gay marriage. "Its the law of the land," he said. “I hate to see her being put in jail." Well, isn't that swell Trumpy, but he added “I understand what they’re doing. It would be certainly nice if she didn’t do it." Lets get this straight, while bold leaders like Ted Cruz, Rand Paul and Mike Huckabee are coming out in support of Kim Davis and her religious stand of conscious, Trump is busy kowtowing to the gay mafia, turning an erroneous Supreme Court interpretation into the "law of the land". Of course this was brought to light immediately on FR. However, while there was some grumblings, most of those onboard the Trump train either glossed over the facts, became defensive and the usual (lack of) intelligent discussion took place.
When questioned about Obamacare at the first GOP debate August 6, Trump rambled and perpexingly came out in support of the single payer program they have in Canada and Scotland: "As far as single payer, it works in Canada. It works incredibly well in Scotland." Yes Donald, single payer is working so well in Canada that they basically bustling over the border just to get the treatment they need here. Sure, Trump went on to check all the anti-Obamacare boxes in his response, yet it is the muddled up way he did so that ought to cause consternation. One has to wonder if it wasn't Obama himself who put the healthcare changes that are destroying the country forward, if it wouldn't be Trump himself who would do it. You see Donald, when offering a conservative critique of Obamacare, you don't start by praising the healthcare systems of Canada and Scotland. If he sought to make a conservative statement on the issue, he sounded more 'severely conservative' than anything else.
Now the big issue that propelled Trump (so far) is illegal immigration. To be sure, illegal immigration has been a giant problem for decades and kudos ought to be given to the man for bringing the discussion to the forefront of this presidential election. That said, his recent history on this topic is just as muddled as the other issues I have mentioned. Now, when bringing up Trump's liberal past, many Trumpians are quick to say 'that was years ago! The man has changed.' OK, sure I'll bite. However only three years ago, Trump hammered Romney for being to harsh on illegal immigrants, referring to Romney's stance on self-deportation for the illegals:
“He had a crazy policy of self deportation which was maniacal,” Trump told the conservative website NewsMax. “It sounded as bad as it was, and he lost all of the Latino vote. He lost the Asian vote. He lost everybody who is inspired to come into this country.” Trump went on to say, "The Democrats didn’t have a policy for dealing with illegal immigrants, but what they did have going for them is they weren’t mean-spirited about it,” Trump added. “They didn’t know what the policy was, but what they were is they were kind.” Does this sound like the rhetoric of a conservative on illegal immigration? Mind you, no, this was not 10 years ago, this was as recent as the last election, when he had already had his Damascus moment and turned toward conservatism, supposedly.
Recently Trump has come on the populist side of things in regard to taxes, even Paul Krugman has come out in support of Trumps tax ideas... yes that Paul Krugman. In a Times op-ed, Krugman wrote that Trump is correct to embrace a tax hike on the rich and speak out in favor of universal healthcare. He added that conservatives — who are now slamming Trump’s proposals — were wrong to warn about the ill economic impacts of those policies ahead of the 2012 election. Keep in mind that Trump did once also propose the largest tax hike in U.S. history. Now Trump's tax hike idea isn't based on the wealthy carte blanche, but the small group of hedge fund managers who use a loophole to pay a lower tax rate on investment gains instead of income. However, his rhetoric is still jarring, "You've seen my statements. I do very well. I don't mind paying a little more in taxes. The middle class is getting clobbered in this country," he said. The statement boils down basically, tax the rich, they can afford it. Very liberal sounding. A better idea would be to lower the income tax tax to mirror the rate of investment gains. Or here's a novel idea, a flat tax!
All these recent examples of Trump's murky brand of conservtism ought to put anyone who is truly on the right on edge. Delving further back into Trump's past raises even more questions: support for automatic gun ban, support for the bank bailouts, support for the auto industry bailouts, support for abortion (hell, even this year he came out supporting Planned Parenthood saying that abortion constitutes hardly a fraction of what they do), support for Hillary (calling her very capable in 2007, and donating hundreds of thousands to her controversy ridden charity), Barack Obama ("What he has done is amazing," "He's a champion") and the Democratic Party.
So the question for conservatives is when is enough enough? Will we sell out and cave in on our values just because we want to see a wall built? If that's the case, the true price of the wall cant be quantified in dollars and cents, but in the corruption of our conservative principles.
Kim Davis needs to find another job that doesn’t conflict with her religious beliefs and trolls need to stay at Huffypost if you get my drift .
Then you go on to whine that I personally attacked you in you subsequent posts and never addressed the legal issues I brought up to you.
Now tell me, why should I waste my time with you?
Good. It was only a matter of time until he rode the lightning. I told him on day one that it would happen.
Some more shedded retread on the turnpike! :’)
Too close to home, Rita? Were you offended that I called Trump a Manhattan real estate salesman? You do know where he made his money, right?
My opinion remains; Deeds not words. I don’t believe him. I don’t trust him. Starry-eyed fandom does nothing to convince me otherwise, nor does happytalk. If you’ve got something concrete to show that Trump has done anything to actually ACT on the things he espouses, such as stopping offshoring of his own manufacturing or requiring all his businesses to comprehensively vette his employees for illegal immigrants, I’d be happy to see that.
Much as I want such problems to be addressed and fixed in the US, the proof is in the doing, not in the claims on the label.
” Too close to home, Rita? Were you offended that I called Trump a Manhattan real estate salesman? You do know where he made his money, right? “ ————————
A curious remark up there that kind of misses the mark, given that my point was there are those having fun and the the trolls who are not. Obviously. Who around here doesn’t know who, what, when, where, how and why about Donald Trump?
Today I was watching the “FIVE “ on Fox Cable TV and learned a couple of things about Kim . She was elected to her position , She is a Democrat and she’s been divorced 3 times and married 4 times ,,, so much for her religious vows . Everyone on the FIVE including Juan Williams asserted that she was wrong by doing what she did and Judge Napolitano said she was directly in violation of the office she holds by law . All thought she should find another that doesn’t conflict with her religious beliefs . So in ending I don’t thing I was so far from the average thought process after all . You have made me feel assured now ,,,,, Thanks
PS ,,, I was never whining ,,,, just presenting the facts and now I have the FIVE to back me up (including Juan Williams ) . I don’t suppose I’ll se you tomorrow in Washington DC where I will be standing up for our countries national security . You’ll bb on F/R hacking on someone else for a position they take I suppose . Have a nice day and don’t forget to take your meds .
Wow, now you are really starting to show your self.
She was divorce BEFORE she came to the lord. You're using the same meme as the dems, curious that.
Can you cite me the law she did not uphold?
Please give me the Statute, you have yet to comment on the legal issues I have cited, I'll wait.....
And no, I can't make it to DC tomorrow so you won't see me, just like I didn't see you at the Tea Party meetings here which I have documented on this site.
Why don't you ping me to your thread after the rally tomorrow which documents your experience, I hope you have a great time meeting and conversing with like minded Americans.
I'll really look forward to it, I can be there in spirit.
Had to be coming before too long.
Well, God bless you my brother.
I personally knew a few Marine brothers who were there at that time, fortunately they were not in the barracks when the bombing occurred.
Were you serving as an interpreter for 3rd Battalion 8th Marines?
,,,, I’m a 70 yr. old Vietnam vet ( 173rd ABN. ), Catholic from birth , fiscal conservative registered as independent and I do not have or use a smart phone . My cell phone is a small basic cell phone . I know there will be threads posted on F/R during the day and perhaps you might catch them . This protest is one of many I have chosen to participate in and may be one of the most important issues of our time regarding world peace . I felt compelled to attend .
“I am unable to use my legs because i am paralyzed from the waist down. I served this country proudly and when the Lebanon Barracks was bombed I was inside with many other marines that did not make it out. So spare me the rhetoric you spinelss blowhard!”
You claim to have survived being “entombed” in the rubble of the bombed barracks for more than one day:
“It is also happening with vets. i have military service related injury related to the bombing in lebanon in 1983. after having had 50 surgeries i am not in the best of health. I am 1 of 80 service members whom survived the bombing with severe injuries. Lets see i have had surgeries on the face , hands, knees, back, neck, stomach and so forth. I have medications for asthma and COPD because of the dust inhaled in the bombing and susequent days of being entombed in a collapsed building. On October 23, 2010 it will be 27 years.”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2612143/posts?page=6#6
Are you aware that the last man to found alive was rescued on 23 October, 1983, the same day as the bombing?
He was a Chaplain as a matter of fact. Chaplain Wheeler, I believe was his name.
Need VIKINGKITTEN?
Reminiscent of another phony who claimed to be severely wounded in one of the ‘Stans’, but truth was, freeper was a Liar who never served a day in the Military.
Thanks, Semper Mark. We suspect the person is back on FR, now posting under another screen name.
who were you with in Lebanon?
I had gotten out 2 years prior but I did know a few, only after, though
That poster must have been drunk, or stupid.
I am sticking with Trump. That means you can stick __!
He rode the lightning. Won’t miss that troll.
Something tells me he has ridden that bolt before.
And he will return under a new screen name and ride that bolt again.
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