Posted on 09/07/2015 2:18:27 PM PDT by z taxman
A few days ago when asked about the couragous stand of Kim Davis, Trump essentially came out in support of gay marriage. "Its the law of the land," he said. “I hate to see her being put in jail." Well, isn't that swell Trumpy, but he added “I understand what they’re doing. It would be certainly nice if she didn’t do it." Lets get this straight, while bold leaders like Ted Cruz, Rand Paul and Mike Huckabee are coming out in support of Kim Davis and her religious stand of conscious, Trump is busy kowtowing to the gay mafia, turning an erroneous Supreme Court interpretation into the "law of the land". Of course this was brought to light immediately on FR. However, while there was some grumblings, most of those onboard the Trump train either glossed over the facts, became defensive and the usual (lack of) intelligent discussion took place.
When questioned about Obamacare at the first GOP debate August 6, Trump rambled and perpexingly came out in support of the single payer program they have in Canada and Scotland: "As far as single payer, it works in Canada. It works incredibly well in Scotland." Yes Donald, single payer is working so well in Canada that they basically bustling over the border just to get the treatment they need here. Sure, Trump went on to check all the anti-Obamacare boxes in his response, yet it is the muddled up way he did so that ought to cause consternation. One has to wonder if it wasn't Obama himself who put the healthcare changes that are destroying the country forward, if it wouldn't be Trump himself who would do it. You see Donald, when offering a conservative critique of Obamacare, you don't start by praising the healthcare systems of Canada and Scotland. If he sought to make a conservative statement on the issue, he sounded more 'severely conservative' than anything else.
Now the big issue that propelled Trump (so far) is illegal immigration. To be sure, illegal immigration has been a giant problem for decades and kudos ought to be given to the man for bringing the discussion to the forefront of this presidential election. That said, his recent history on this topic is just as muddled as the other issues I have mentioned. Now, when bringing up Trump's liberal past, many Trumpians are quick to say 'that was years ago! The man has changed.' OK, sure I'll bite. However only three years ago, Trump hammered Romney for being to harsh on illegal immigrants, referring to Romney's stance on self-deportation for the illegals:
“He had a crazy policy of self deportation which was maniacal,” Trump told the conservative website NewsMax. “It sounded as bad as it was, and he lost all of the Latino vote. He lost the Asian vote. He lost everybody who is inspired to come into this country.” Trump went on to say, "The Democrats didn’t have a policy for dealing with illegal immigrants, but what they did have going for them is they weren’t mean-spirited about it,” Trump added. “They didn’t know what the policy was, but what they were is they were kind.” Does this sound like the rhetoric of a conservative on illegal immigration? Mind you, no, this was not 10 years ago, this was as recent as the last election, when he had already had his Damascus moment and turned toward conservatism, supposedly.
Recently Trump has come on the populist side of things in regard to taxes, even Paul Krugman has come out in support of Trumps tax ideas... yes that Paul Krugman. In a Times op-ed, Krugman wrote that Trump is correct to embrace a tax hike on the rich and speak out in favor of universal healthcare. He added that conservatives — who are now slamming Trump’s proposals — were wrong to warn about the ill economic impacts of those policies ahead of the 2012 election. Keep in mind that Trump did once also propose the largest tax hike in U.S. history. Now Trump's tax hike idea isn't based on the wealthy carte blanche, but the small group of hedge fund managers who use a loophole to pay a lower tax rate on investment gains instead of income. However, his rhetoric is still jarring, "You've seen my statements. I do very well. I don't mind paying a little more in taxes. The middle class is getting clobbered in this country," he said. The statement boils down basically, tax the rich, they can afford it. Very liberal sounding. A better idea would be to lower the income tax tax to mirror the rate of investment gains. Or here's a novel idea, a flat tax!
All these recent examples of Trump's murky brand of conservtism ought to put anyone who is truly on the right on edge. Delving further back into Trump's past raises even more questions: support for automatic gun ban, support for the bank bailouts, support for the auto industry bailouts, support for abortion (hell, even this year he came out supporting Planned Parenthood saying that abortion constitutes hardly a fraction of what they do), support for Hillary (calling her very capable in 2007, and donating hundreds of thousands to her controversy ridden charity), Barack Obama ("What he has done is amazing," "He's a champion") and the Democratic Party.
So the question for conservatives is when is enough enough? Will we sell out and cave in on our values just because we want to see a wall built? If that's the case, the true price of the wall cant be quantified in dollars and cents, but in the corruption of our conservative principles.
Bump, if just have to do a vanity put in chat or bloggers. The mods are going to put it there anyway so save them the trouble.
I support Trump and I am disappointed with his position on Kim Davis. I think as he gets up to speed on what is actually going on as opposed to that the media says is going on he will come around. But even if he doesn’t I’ll still back him for 2 reasons. First we must get immigration under control and ONLY Trump gets immigration right. Second, the GOPe must be destroyed and Trump is the destroyer.
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He is clearly a Bush supporter. His career has been made with the Bush family. Jeb is failing, so the question becomes, who would the Bush dynasty support if Jeb becomes non-viable? My first guess would be Kasich, and my 2nd guess would be Rubio.
We will let you know when we have had enough. The GOP must be leveled and Trump is doing it.
Get outta the way.
Thank you and have a nice day.
,,,,, I knew it ,,,, just more blow by . Tomorrow I will be in Washington DC protesting the Iran Nuke deal . When I feel so strongly about an issue I resolve to participate in an open display of my feelings ,,,, you however choose to attack the message and or messenger with idle phrases . If you feel so strongly about Kim’s dilemma ,,, why don’t you create a defense fund ,, find her a good lawyer or offer her some legal advice , but attacking me because I think her best option is to find another job gets me , you and her no where . Most civil service workers do not command the funds to fight city hall or any govt. agency . I feel for her truly ,, but the REALITY is not in her favor as of today when liberals rule the moment . I did hear that Ted Cruz is suppose to visit her today and I await to hear his opinion and perhaps an outcome of sorts . You have a nice day and thank you for your vague commentary ,,, It’s been fun .
Now there’s another damn shame.
Damn shame it took this long. And I say that as a non trump guy.
Apropos of a Troll, he was Z Taxman.
LOL! Love that movie.
In the military one of the worse things you can do (sans really good g2) is split your forces. Right now the battle is to get Trump (or Cruz) the GOP nomination. We just can not afford to get into battle with the left and RINOs over Kim. Huckabee is leading a skirmishing party for Kim, lets hope that goes well.
...with extreme prejudice.
If he is really conservative or conservative leaning he should ask Jim to allow him back. aaabert got let back in countless times. (What happened to aaabert?) Jim is fair minded and unless you are a real hole, Jim would probably reinstate a retread if they asked nicely.
I wondered how long he’d last.
It is much easier for someone to set up a new account, than swallow
their pride and ask for restatement of account.
Z Taxman is now a distant memory.
Ha!
1) “As for Trump, he strikes me as a PT Barnum, all ballyhoo...”
2) “his history shows is being a Manhattan real estate salesman...”
3) “There’s one born every minute. A bunch of ‘em probably bought Perot’s line as well, and got BJC elected... twice. And they probably still feel self-righteous about it, too. “
How edifying, “since debate became dog piles”. Your own contribution is hardly above that pile you complain about, itself.
The fact of life is that FR is generously Trump territory, and you can’t have any fun, here, at the moment, so you troll those who are.
” Damn shame it took this long. And I say that as a non trump guy. “ -——————————————————
Geez, I agree, after perusing his posts full of spam I was hopping mad that he had carte blanch to carry on at such a pace, for so long. Now don’t bark, but sure do miss you this time around, btw. :) Rita
Not gonna bark. No need. I’ll be proven right as usual. It’s a curse ;)
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