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Greenfield: A Tour of Our Decadent Civilization
The Sultan Knish blog ^ | Sunday, August 02, 2015 | Daniel Greenfield

Posted on 08/02/2015 4:53:34 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell

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1 posted on 08/02/2015 4:53:34 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell
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To: Louis Foxwell; daisy mae for the usa; AdvisorB; wizardoz; free-in-nyc; Vendome; Georgia Girl 2; ...

Daniel Greenfield, a Shillman Journalism Fellow at the David Horowitz Freedom Center, is a New York writer focusing on radical Islam.

2 posted on 08/02/2015 4:54:58 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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Ping


3 posted on 08/02/2015 5:05:09 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: Tax-chick

bttt


4 posted on 08/02/2015 5:09:44 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("All the time live the truth with love in your heart." ~Fr. Ho Lung)
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To: Louis Foxwell

There are no morals, only sides.

Depressing.


5 posted on 08/02/2015 5:11:00 PM PDT by Excellence (Marine mom since April 11, 2014)
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To: Louis Foxwell

Brilliant. Just brilliant.


6 posted on 08/02/2015 5:13:25 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Louis Foxwell

This is the most thoughtful and philosophically sound article Greenfield has written. It must be read and reread. Its conclusions lead to its premises. While it is not cyclical, it is foundational.
I sent this article to a witless family member who is a mind number leftist, with the notation that it will help her understand our society. I will be amazed if she is able to get past the second sentence.
This is a tough read but it will refine your thought process.


7 posted on 08/02/2015 5:15:52 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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He’s right, but late. We aren’t becoming a decadent nation, we’ve been one for some time. Only decadent nations pass legislation without knowing what’s in it, refuse to prosecute violations of laws they don’t like, and relinquish any subservience to the nation’s founding documents. What took a constitutional amendment in 1920 (Prohibition), merely requires executive action today (the War on Drugs).


8 posted on 08/02/2015 5:33:52 PM PDT by sparklite2 (Voting is acting white.)
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To: Louis Foxwell

Bookmark


9 posted on 08/02/2015 6:31:50 PM PDT by aquila48
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Freedom can only truly exist on a frontier,
as areas become settled they become more
civilized, and civilization means more laws
until it reaches the point that the people
come to ignore the laws, then civil society
disintegrates until a frontier is all that’s
left for the survivors and it all starts over again.tet68


10 posted on 08/02/2015 6:39:49 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Louis Foxwell

Perhaps Legal Perfection” is a much more succinct description of what Greedfield so accurately descrides in the article under discussion.

The Ancient Greeks discussed what ideal law would be and agreed that it would treat all citizens equally in all circumstances.

Then one pointed out that the City State was so large(40,000 ‘voting citizens’) that such legal perfection would have to encompass so many variables as to be impossible. They concluded that they would have to rely on human judgement, instead of attempting to write perfect laws.

Now, think about the sheer hubris of attempting to create laws and regulations in the numbers America has done.

Shut down whole agencies. Florida’s Governor Scott campaigned promising to shut down the Florida Department of Community Affairs(A hotbed of collectivists/regulators).

He won the election and did shut down the entire agency. Florida did better without it.

Shut down all agencies not justifiable from a Strict Constitution perspective!


11 posted on 08/02/2015 7:30:14 PM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam Delenda Est. Because of what Islam is - and because of what Muslims do.)
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To: Excellence
That's subjectivism for you. Once upon a time it was the embrace of private interpretation (the method and circumstance) as a meta-principle governing the specific interpretations that one can articulate. It was the false elevation of a political concern to a theological "truth." Now it's become a general, unspoken belief that the Sovereign Self's arbitrary reservation of opinions and perspectives unto itself is supposedly sacred and unchangeable because I want it to be. Hence the experience that discussions seem never to resolve anything. (When all parties believe that subjectivism is sacred, there's not much that can be penetrated by means of discussion.)

In this situation people naturally develop the complementary belief that to accomplish anything in life, they must take action in ways that are invisible to others until their actions can be unveiled as faits accompli, because open methods are seen as hopeless.

12 posted on 08/03/2015 4:44:43 AM PDT by Mmmike
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To: Louis Foxwell

There are several ways this piece could be organized into an essay that makes its points clearly and memorably, emphasizing them with relevant examples.


13 posted on 08/03/2015 4:50:12 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("All the time live the truth with love in your heart." ~Fr. Ho Lung)
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To: Louis Foxwell

Bump...


14 posted on 08/03/2015 5:09:15 AM PDT by Popman (Christ Alone: My Cornerstone...)
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....”There are several ways this piece could be organized into an essay that makes its points clearly and memorably, emphasizing them with relevant examples”....

I agree....but a good read just the same. Points could have been better written though.


15 posted on 08/03/2015 7:29:25 AM PDT by caww
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....” the decadent civilization must ‘undo’ the damage that is devolving it. This is easier than it seems. ...the decadent civilization has most of ‘the same infrastructure’, physical and mental, of the vigorous civilization. Only its ideas have become corrupted.

And even this deeper corruption is largely limited to the ‘elites and the professional classes’, while the rest of the civilization has experienced only a surface corruption that is easily wiped away.

The difficulty is however structural. A decadent civilization becomes more top-down with each year. And the source of the corruption is at the top. ‘Removing the source of the corruption requires either removing all or almost all of the elites, and sizable sections of the professional classes as well’.... Or a campaign of ideas that transforms them as fundamentally as they were transformed.”......

This is why the ground swell for Trump who seems to want to lead this. But is he really any different?


16 posted on 08/03/2015 7:40:23 AM PDT by caww
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Does not matter if Trump is different. He is catalyzing an antielitist movement. Ultimately he will either become a victim of his own success or a bona fide leader of the movement.


17 posted on 08/03/2015 8:00:05 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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... “Trump is catalyzing an anti-elitist movement. Ultimately he will either become a victim of his own success or a bona fide leader of the movement”....

I think a lot of people have hope that Trump will be exactly that...and we know there are others working along with him who also are a part of this movement. I believe now that this is not chance Trump is on stage as he is.

I remember so well Cruz saying back after he filibustered.....”The American people don’t realize how close ‘we’ are to taking back our country.”.......At that time there were 20 or so congressional people working with Cruz.

I think this entire thing with Trump is being carefully orchestrated and that He is simply one part of what we are going to see as this election moves forward.

Interesting tidbit:

In 1995, the fiftieth anniversary of World War II, only 100 spectators watched New York City’s Veteran Day Parade. It was an insult to all veterans. Approached by Mayor Rudy Giuliani and the chief of New York City’s FBI office, Mr. Trump agreed to lead as Grand Marshall a second parade later that year...... Mr. Trump made a $1 million matching donation to finance the Nation’s Day Parade..... On Saturday, November 11th, over 1.4 million watched as Mr. Trump marched down Fifth Avenue with more than 25,000 veterans, some dressed in their vintage uniforms. A month later, Mr. Trump was honored in the Pentagon during a lunch with the Secretary of Defense and the entire Joint Chiefs of Staff.


18 posted on 08/03/2015 8:26:57 AM PDT by caww
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His thesis, his facts, and his comparisons are outstanding. It’s just that the piece reads like a set of notecards arranged randomly, rather than a well-structured essay.

Mr. Greenfield is a very busy writer. It’s understandable that his output isn’t always as polished as it might be. This is an important topic, and I hope he will revisit it in a more focused way.


19 posted on 08/03/2015 8:57:11 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("All the time live the truth with love in your heart." ~Fr. Ho Lung)
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Yes....maybe he just wanted to get it out there....


20 posted on 08/03/2015 9:14:08 AM PDT by caww
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