Why I Support Donald Trump’s Campaign – And It’s Probably Not What You Think…

The Conservative Treehouse ^ | July 13, 2015 | sundance

[Art in Idaho]

Begin with the end in mind – I’m not trying to convince anyone that Donald Trump is running a campaign to actually win the GOP nomination.

Factually, I’m as uncertain and perhaps more skeptical as the next person. However, given that Trump has actually done things he normally wouldn’t do if this was a mere publicity stunt (ie. stock divestitures, removal of conflicts etc.), for the sake of intellectual argument, I’m going to assume, cautiously yet optimistically, he’s in it to win it.

Argument #1 – After all, he’s been a democrat, an independent, a Republican, and well, I have consistently despised Charlie Crist.

Counter Argument – Then again, what about Mitch McConnell and John Boehner, and Orin Hatch, and Lindsey Graham, and John McCain, and John Cornyn, and Thad Cochran and, well, you get the point…. What’s the difference between supporting those consistently Republican “Republicans” only to have them advocate for liberal/progressive policies.

Are the aforementioned better because they didn’t change party registration, yet act like Democrats?

Let me first explain something few fully comprehend – and fewer still, are willing accept.

People like us rail against the “establishment” because, despite the GOP claims to the contrary, they never actually do anything to stop the liberal policy agenda. One only has to look at President Obama’s veto record (four in 6.5 years) to accept that only legislation Obama agrees with is reaching his desk.

We gave the GOP the House (2010, 2012, 2014) and the Senate (2014) and yet we never have received a single benefit to the election victories We The People provided.

Why is that?

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[onyx]

YES! YES! YES!
You're right on every count. I was depressed until his announcement. I still like Ted Cruz, but despite his bona-fide’s he was wallowing in single digits while no surname Jeb was dominating and Walker hadn't announced. Now we have excitement and the other side has dread! I know they're afraid of Mr. Donald Trump for several reasons, but a major reason is the fact that he can't be bought. He is truly Independent in every sense of the word and that alone is driving the GOP nutz! I'm also sure he has "bought" or "rented" several of them over the years...lol... on both sides of the aisle. Of course, he's blasted here for the latter, by people who don't understand business and politics and the how's and why's that twain meets.

The very fact that Mr. Donald Trump could actually win Election 2016 scares the crap out of some, but thrills a whole lot more.

[Pelham]

A must-read article.

[TomasUSMC]

AND...we had the White HOuse the Senate and the House with Bush.....AND THEY STILL DIDN’T BUILD THE FREAKING WALL, AND THE CONTINUED TO STEAL THE BEST AMERICAN JOBS AND GIVE THEM TO FOREIGNERS BY THE TENS OF THOUSANDS EVERY SINGLE YEAR WITH THE H1B visas.

[Yaelle]

Exactly. Right now, who cares whether Trump goes all the way? He is ALREADY doing this country a world of good. Every PC lie is having a searchlight find it and illuminate it. And this is registering to real Americans, even the apolitical or just plumb busy ones.

Americans CAN handle the truth. We are sick of lies.

[nathanbedford]

We are not in the business of electing a messenger we are in the business of obtaining political power by instituting a conservative in the office of president.

So long as we are trying to find a messenger Trump does splendidly but when we begin to think of governing Trump is wholly disqualified by virtue of his character flaws, his temperament, his undisciplined speech, his biography, his Association with bankruptcies, his financial support of leftists, his pro-abortion position, his self dentification for years with Democrats, his ignorance of history, and, above all his offputting, galactic ego.

We are still in the message stage and at this point, I agree, Trump is rendering a great service to the cause of true conservatism. But do not be deceived, the man is not a conservative and he is not fit to lead the conservative cause. It is the most dangerous tendency of any political movement to fall in love with a Messiah. Every man has flaws and Trump is a walking repository of the ego problems whom we dare not trust with the fate of the nation.

It is so seductive to fall in love with a candidate but so dangerous.

[flaglady47]

“It is so seductive to fall in love with a candidate but so dangerous.”

We all fall in love with a particular candidate. You have your choice of 17 or more of them. I choose Trump, a highly astute businessman who is Main Street in attitude, not K Street. He may not be as “intellectual” as you may like, or not as “pure” or polished as you may like, but he’s a doer, not a talker like the politicians are. And most of all he’s a fighter, and we need that more than anything right now. Plus he’s beholden to no one.

What you list as vices, I consider virtues, right down to his undisciplined speech and giant ego. Almost all leadership quality people have big ego’s, it goes with the territory. I suspect you have a decent sized one yourself. Trump actually speaks very well, attended a military academy before going to Wharton School of Finance where he had good grades, and turned his father’s 6 million dollar inheritance into a 6 BILLION dollar or more real estate and media Empire, and he’s not embarrassed about being a rich Capitalist.

By the way, Rush Limbaugh is on his third marriage. Not everyone is perfect. Trump raised excellent quality children who all love him, unlike my hero Ronnie Reagan’s kids, 2 of whom turned out to be big lemons. I never loved Reagan the less for how his kids turned out. I don’t love Rush less for his third wife being the charm, and when I look at Trump’s happy family photos, that pleases me. Of late all we have chosen for Prez candidates are politicians who have lost. I’m going for the businessman this time. Each to their own.

[sand88]

I’m still with Cruz, but I love what Trump is saying. And I love the response he’s getting from the voters. And the fear he’s raising on the left and in the GOP-e.

Cruz is my ideal candidate. After reading this brilliant article it is quite clear that without Trump in this race there is likely no way Cruz could overcome Jeb's MSM fueled momentum after a likely victory in Florida.

The great insight presented throughout this article left me quite depressed -- it seems only a miracle will keep the evil GOPe from getting their candidate.

I say a miracle because I now have no doubt that most who entered the campaigned did so for one and only one reason -- to make sure Jeb defeats the Constitutional Conservatives.

The deceit of Rubio, Christie, Graham and other GOPe is disgusting. They have zero respect for Consitution and likely laugh at those who believe in limited government.

I pray that something great comes from the Cruz and Trump meeting on Wednesday.

[sand88]

Trump brings the right message but he is the wrong messenger.

Did you completely read the article? What do you think of the analysis of the GOPe strategy of guiding Jeb to victory in Florida and so on?

Your insight is always welcomed. Please read my post above this one.

[nathanbedford]

Donald Trump cannot be nominated, if nominated he cannot be elected, if elected he cannot govern.

[Artcore]

Donald Trump cannot be nominated, if nominated he cannot be elected, if elected he cannot govern.

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Methinks you try a tad too hard to try and sound clever.

[nathanbedford]

There is no need to personalize this. There is no need for you ape the tactics of Saul Alinsky and Donald Trump if you have a difference of opinion with me. Why don't you just spell out the difference instead of attacking me personally?

[okie01]

After reading this brilliant article it is quite clear that without Trump in this race there is likely no way Cruz could overcome Jeb's MSM fueled momentum after a likely victory in Florida.

The writer of this article has overlooked one important part of the primary schedule.

Florida is on March 15.

Texas, with many more delegates, is on March 1.

[flaglady47]

“Donald Trump cannot be nominated, if nominated he cannot be elected, if elected he cannot govern.”

We’ll see. One of us will be wrong. I hope it’s you, lol.

[wardaddy]

great work especially considering most is a year old

[wardaddy]

Actually a good question Pally....

[wardaddy]

Ok

Let me be really clear and my apologies to the mod

As a SOUTHERNER as if I even needed to be further educated

The Republican Party as we know it is just 1970s moderate democrats

Hawkish with fiscal restraint comparatively

That’s it.

They fight only against their base and to stay reelectWed

They are traitors to their electorate....unabashedly

They obviously despise my region and have thrown us under the bus with no hesitation

Aside from Cruz Sessions Cotton and a few others they are no better than the opposition

They stand for SHIT.

Trump....faults and all....busts their asses up

That alone makes him worth a shot.....

If he won this.....the GOPe paradigm would be forever altered

Plus he effing fights back on the left..the establishment and the GD media

It may be he is not our best choice but our only choice

[wardaddy]

You saying that is a tipping point

If Lenhart does it too ill faint

[wardaddy]

You were mistaken trust me...lol....I like that retort btw

I may borrow it

[wardaddy]

Anyone new to this thread should see post 11

This is a very high fly ball many are watching to see if it goes foul

[nathanbedford]

Did you completely read the article? What do you think of the analysis of the GOPe strategy of guiding Jeb to victory in Florida and so on?

I have read the article carefully and I think there is much of merit in it. I think the article accurately diagnoses the current deplorable state of the Republican Party. When the author spins out intricate conspiracy theories and projects the motives of candidates like Graham so far into the future I lose confidence in his predictive abilities. The world simply does not function under so intricate a web spun by conspiratorial elitists. They would and do conspire but the very fact of the entrance into the debate by Donald Trump and his profound unsettling influence on the debate, which I favor on the merits, reveals how impossible it is to micromanage a two-year convoluted nomination and election strategy.

I agree that conservatives have been divided and conquered in the past series of nominations and we have an obligation to ourselves and to the country to prevent that from happening now. I have posted long and hard that we should favor Cruz and if he falters Scott Walker. I could be very content with either one as nominee. These men are conservatives, each has bucked the establishment at personal political risk. Scott Walker won his battle and got results, Ted Cruz did not but, of course, but Cruz was not in position as a chief executive to get results as was Scott Walker. I am not happy with Cruz's vote on trade and on the Iran deal but no candidate is perfect and I'm about trying to find the most electable, most conservative candidate.

As I have posted, the attraction of Donald Trump is that he has seized on a couple of salient issues and brilliantly punched through the clutter to make himself heard and, equally important, he is feeding red meat to a starving and ravens conservative audience. But we true conservatives must understand and even except that we are a subset of a subset and not the majority voice of the electorate. We might be, as Donald Trump says, a silent majority but the key word is "silent" and not the reflexive, default position of the electorate. So Donald Trump is expressing the right message on a subset of issues directed to a subset of a subset of the electorate. I have also posted long and hard that the way to gain the independence and the Reagan Democrats is not by retreating from conservative principles but by inspiring the country with conservative principles. The trick is not to make a bigger tent, that will take care of itself if we can introduce the people to come into it. Donald Trump does not have the range or the grasp of conservatism to be the man to do that.

I am nearly but not quite to the point where I am in despair of the Republican Party. If we cannot elect Cruz or Walker or if they are somehow unmasked as frauds, then I might be in a position to support Donald Trump on the theory that the wrong messenger is better than no message at all.

We are not quite there yet.