Posted on 04/27/2015 8:26:18 AM PDT by NOBO2012
For goodness sake- You’re bringing in cultural customs and laws and comparing that to verses which declare God hates certain people? What does cultural customs have to do with God hating certain people? Are you suggesting that because some Christians today don’t have a problem with certain things that God has had a change of heart about things He calls an abomination, or sin, or about things He hates?
I’m not following your reasoning here- Not sure why you’re bringnign cultural laws into picture
And just for the record, the reason why He forbade pork back them was because trichinosis was extremely high- due to feeding pigs everything, including flesh- Trichinosis is no longer a major concern because of safe farming practices have practically eliminated it- God didn’t want His people getting ill- so He forbade them to eat it- many of the old testament laws were specific to that region, based on cultural laws, or were because of health concerns which don’t exist today- Just so you know-
and btw- you missed the point I was trying unsuccessfully to make about the witches- It wasn’t to bring in an old testament law- it was to show that God didn’t give them an out- His directive was to kill them- Certainly a ‘God of Love’ would step in and delay the execution to give the person time to repent, no?- The point I was making was that God hates the witch, condemns the witch to die, and the act is carried out- God specifically states in his word that He hates witches, and declares what the punishment is- immediate death when it is found out a person is a witch
please don’t bring in the salem witch trials as your next argument, I am NOT suggesting we hunt down witches- I simply used a specific class of people God hates as an illustration point to show that He does infact hate some people and not just their sin only
OK, now here is a twist. Repentence and conviction are part and parcel of being saved. If someone is not repentent, or convicted for their sins, does the church body have the resposibilty to admonish the individual, even if it means telling them that they could not come back, until they had changed their heart? Case in point:
I went to a church that had an openly transvetite man that started attending. He was welcomed in and discipled. He never did change his ways, which were proven by scripture to be contrary to God's will. The man refused to change and felt no conviction to change. He insisted God would love him the way he was. He was finally asked to leave, becasue it was decided by the church leaders that he his fruits were bearing his true heart out. His being shunned by church body caused a rift, and people left becasue the church was being "hateful" and not "showing love".
Peresonally, at the risk of sounding like I am casting stones, I think the church body did the right thing by sending him packing. The book of Acts even teaches that sometimes you have to stop trying to preach to those who do not want it. The Lord will take care of the issue in his own time and way. Unfortunatley, sometimes that means doing things that adherets fo the social gospel, and the uninformed, can and will inturperet as being "un-Christian" and hypocritical.
[[like Bob, who AGREE with the left’s talking points and thus tar the rest of us as hate mongers.]]
then you say:
[[Those who do would be more at home at WBC.]]
Insinuating apparently that I should join a hatefilled faux church? Seems you’ve tarred me as a hate monger no? You are espousing the ideology that God loves everyone- How on earth can I possibly be accusing you of ‘hate mongering’ then? Your arguments aren’t making much sense-
[[becasue it was decided by the church leaders that he his fruits were bearing his true heart out. His being shunned by church body caused a rift, and people left becasue the church was being “hateful” and not “showing love]]
you church did exactly the right thing-
[[The book of Acts even teaches that sometimes you have to stop trying to preach to those who do not want it. ]]
Exactly- There are numerous verses which state this- Paul even had to run for his life on a couple of occasions because the people would not accept his preaching- He didn’t stick around and stick it out- He did what was prudent- The bible also talks about God handing unrepentant people over to the world that the world may have them-
[[and the uninformed, can and will inturperet as being “un-Christian” and hypocritical]]
That’s happens a lot unfortunately- But God’s word remains true, and truth wins the day— When someone demands that Both God and the church accept them DESPITE being shown over and over again that God does NOT accept such behavior, then that person becomes a cancer In the church which can tear the church apart- and in your case did tear the church apart by causing a rift- God commands us to be vigilant and on the lookout for such things- He also tells us to look out for heretics- people who intentionally attempt to tear a church apart by constantly arguing and fighting but who have no scripture to back up their arguments- like that gay person insisting God would love and accept them as they are-
People such as that, and such as apostates, are to be turned over to the world- and apostates lose any chance of being able to accept Christ In the future according to God’s word-
Neither are yours. I notice you didn't answer my question about whether you avoid bacon and don't shave your beard because God said to do so in the Bible.
[[I notice you didn’t answer my question about whether you avoid bacon and don’t shave your beard because God said to do so in the Bible.]]
I actually did answer it but also pointed out that it has absolutely Nothing to do with whether God loves all people without exception, or not- I’m sorry you didn’t understand my previous posts explaining it to you-
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