Gun Turn In 'Buy Back': Homemade Shotguns for Cash

Gun Watch ^ | 13 April, 2015 | Dean Weingarten

[marktwain]

In an unnamed gun 'buy back' that is reported to have occurred in June of 2014, These four homemade slam fire shotguns were turned in for cash.  The piece of pipe that acts as a barrel slides in the front.   It is much like the slam fire shotguns that were developed and used in guerrilla fighting in the Philippines in WWII.  From countercurrentnews.com:

The self-described “gun rights activist,” who we are not naming, brought in a duffel bag full of home made, “slam-fire” shotguns (all of legal length). He was paid $50 for each of these improvised guns. This low ball price shows just how unrealistic it is for anyone but criminals to turn guns in to the police when they have these buy back programs.

Maybe an alert reader can ID the gun turn in where this occurred.   There was a turn in event in New York in June of 2014, but I do not know if that is the same as this one.  Still, $200 for a couple of hours of work and $30 worth of pipe is a worthwhile project.

Across the country, communities, police departments and churches are sponsoring gun turn-ins to get "guns off the street". At many of these events, private buyers are showing up, offering cash for the more valuable guns. These private additions to the public turn-in are effective, no doubt, in getting more guns off the street, because they add to the resources that are available to those who want to get rid of guns for something of value, be it a grocery card or a number of twenty dollar bills.

You can help make the turn-in in your area more effective by standing on the curb with your "Cash for Guns" sign, or at a folding table, willing to offer more than the gift card for firearms that are more valuable. It would be best if numerous private parties were available, as more good guns could then be transferred into responsible hands.

This action serves many useful purposes. It stretches the turn-in budget so that more guns can be taken off the street. It helps keep fearful widows from being defrauded of most of the market value of the gun they are turning in. It prevents valuable assets from being destroyed by bureaucratic inflexibility. It is a win-win-win situation. The ideal situation for those organizing the turn in would be to allow private buyers to purchase the valuable guns, while having the organizers take the cheap guns "off the streets". As these events are ideologically driven, that seems unlikely, but it might be worth an attempt at outreach. All parties would benefit.

Private buyers dispel the pernicious message that guns are bad and should be destroyed.

Link to potential legal risk of buying a gun at one of these events

Link to article with numerous examples of private sales at gun turn in events

Link to an article about private buyers at Detroit event

Link to Phoenix Article: pictures of private buyers

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[Covenantor]

At least the maker was safety concious.

I'm assuming that's what the vertical plugs are.

[marktwain]

“It was in Fredericksburg, VA.”

Thank you very much!

Freepers are an amazing bunch!

[redfreedom]

I was having similar thoughts as yours, but think it out:

The wood part appears to be a 2x4, which is 1.5 inches thick.

The pipe then would be 3/4. I just tried a shot gun shell in a 3/4” black iron pipe. It is a sloppy fit. The rim part of the shell will not fall into the pipe.

So the cap you see holds the shell into the pipe so it will not fall out the other end, so it’s not a muzzle loader. A small hole drilled into that cap would let a spring loaded casing nail or other small rod rod to act as a firing pin.

Note the object on top of the 2x4, in must be some sort of simple trigger to release the pin.

It would work. To load it, slide the retaining ring off the gun, remove the pipe. Cock it by pushing the pin back past the trigger catch. Unscrew the cap, put in a shell, screw the cap back on, place the pipe on the 2x4 stock, slide the retaining ring (strap) back on, and you are in business.

A 24” pipe would make it much more accurate. The 2x4 would have to be longer and add another retaining ring.

I personally would not have the guts to build one, let alone fire one.

[normbal]

In the language of the very same hippies who are now in places of power usurping and undermining our rights as free people, this is an excellent example of “monkey wrenching.”

Want to put a stop to these leftist useful idiots and their mindless “gun buy backs”?

Organize, prepare hundreds of these “shotguns” and take them to every such event as is humanly possible from coast to coast. Get to the collection points EARLY, take every penny they have and buy firearms, or donate the money to pistol/rifle training groups for local chapters of the Isaak Walton League, Boy scouts or other group.

Monkey Wrenching. Community Organizing for our constitutionally guaranteed civil, natural, God-given HUMAN right to keep and bear arms.

I’ll bet you we can keep this up longer than they can.

[thefactor]

The buybacks in NYC are no-questions-asked. You can bring in whatever you want and you’ll have amnesty.

[SWAMPSNIPER]

12 gauge is close to 3/4”.

[WKUHilltopper]

“Is it completely legal to manufacture a firearm without a federal license?

“I just found it somewhere.” :) “

I found them when I was looking for all my firearms I lost during an unfortunate canoe trip.

[SWAMPSNIPER]

The 3/4” pipe which forms the barrel slides in to the pictured breech assembly. There is a fixed firing pin in the breech assembly. They don’t show the whole rig.

[Bob434]

im wondering if all these gun buy backs, gun turn ins end up sending the guns to Mexico for things like fast and furious

[wildbill]

I’m heading for Home Depot for pipe and want to compare it with other forms of tubing.

Since the cash payment in these ‘turn in programs’ doesn’t require the ‘guns’ to be workable, it should be a cool source of income

[xander]

That vertical plug is a lever that acts as the hammer/firing pin. There is no conventional trigger that would hold the lever back (cocked) until you are ready to fire.

To fire, you pull back on that lever with your hand increasing the spring tension and then release it when you want to fire the weapon. The lever slams into the back of the cartridge and ignites the primer with some type of firing pin to ignite the primer and send the projectile out of the barrel. The spring could be a coil spring, a bunch of rubber bands, a piece of inner tube; anything with enough tension to overcome the primer’s force resistance.

I suspect to fire a second time the operator would need to unscrew the barrel, remove the spent shell, load a new one, then reattach the barrel.

[xander]

That vertical plug is a lever that acts as the hammer/firing pin. There is no conventional trigger that would hold the lever back (cocked) until you are ready to fire.

To fire, you pull back on that lever with your hand increasing the spring tension and then release it when you want to fire the weapon. The lever slams into the back of the cartridge and ignites the primer with some type of firing pin to ignite the primer and send the projectile out of the barrel. The spring could be a coil spring, a bunch of rubber bands, a piece of inner tube; anything with enough tension to overcome the primer’s force resistance.

I suspect to fire a second time the operator would need to unscrew the barrel, remove the spent shell, load a new one, then reattach the barrel.

[Forward the Light Brigade]

Isn’t this just a Zip Gun made for shotgun shells?

[Blood of Tyrants]

Yep.

[wastoute]

Look at it as wealth redistributution! Idiot gun grabbers to we bible clingers!

[Sybeck1]

We had a high school trip to Parchman Prison when I was in school. They showed various shanks and knives, plus confiscated pipe shotguns

[redfreedom]

Thanks for the explanation.

This makes for a very simple device requiring few skills to construct and materials found anywhere.

It would be nice to see one fired.

[SWAMPSNIPER]

Nope, the whole gun is not shown. There are no springs or rubber bands needed.

[rickomatic]

I know I am correct on this. If you construct the receiver, you may not sell it or even give it away except in a will. I’ve looked into constructing a AR-15 from an 80% receiver.

Please state the statute you reference for this. I have built several legal firearms over the past 20 years and been involved in many online building forums. I have never seen this confirmed. It is not in 922r I know for sure. A moot point as far as I'm concerned since I never sell my firearms anyway, but still, without a specific citation from law or statute, I still believe you are incorrect.

[marktwain]

When I had an FFL, the rule was that if you had a personal firearm for over a year, you could sell it as a private sale.

This was a rule interpretation by the BATF. I recall reading somewhere that the same time limit was applied to home made guns, to show that the motive was not profit for a business.

That is the best that I recall as any sort of law, regulation, or rule. There is a federal requirement to have license for the manufacture of firearms for commercial sale.