Posted on 03/14/2015 12:22:59 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
There are at least four model 60 Marlins or variants in this photo from a gun “turn in” in Phoenix two years ago. The people turning in the rifles might well have paid less for the rifle new, than it brought at the politically correct turn-in.
I just listened to a recording of the Ferguson police shooting. It was not clear what direction the shots came from, or how far they were from the person doing the recording. But the cadence of the shots, and the information about what happened to the police give plenty to speculate on. I do not claim any inside sources from Ferguson, or any knowledge about the evidence collected there. So, here are SWAGs (Scientific, Wild, After the fact, Guesses.
First, from the nature of the wounds, given that a bullet was said to be lodged below the ear of one officer, and that both officers were released from the hospital in less than a day, it was almost certainly a .22 rimfire that was used.
This makes sense, as it is the most common cartridge in the country, even with the run on .22 long rifle cartridges for the last two years. About four billion of these cartridges are sold and used in a “normal” year. In the last couple of years that number is closer to 5-6 billion. The demand in the United States has far outstripped supply; we are importing all that can be produced overseas, and begging for more. The common .22 long rifle round has plenty of power to do the damage being talked about to a few hundred yards. Hitting a small target past 300 might be a little difficult, but from 100 to 150 yards, as is mentioned in the Ferguson shooting, it would not be a problem.
The .22 long rifle has another “fit” to the shooting. From the recording, my best SWAG is that three shots were fired. The person doing the recording turns 90 degrees in the middle of the shooting, and because of the changed direction of the mike, the middle shot seems to produce more echoes. I believe that it was three shots, and the time would be 3 seconds, start to end.
Shooting aimed shots that fast is not impossible from a good, supported position, and it is much easier if you are shooting a firearm with almost no recoil, such as a .22 rimfire rifle. Put a scope on the rifle, and relatively precise aiming at 125 yards is pretty simple. It is almost as easy to do with open sights, if you are young and your eyes are good. Hitting an 8″ target at 150 yards is well within the grasp of most people, with the most basic instruction. While recorded sounds can be tricky, the shots do not sound loud enough to be more powerful than a .22 long rifle cartridge.
These rifles and the telescopic sights for them are ubiquitous in American society. They are almost never used in crime because they are hard to conceal, and relatively low powered. All body armor will stop these rounds easily.
My guess is that one officer was targeted and hit with the first shot; the other two shots went a bit wild, one missing and the other hitting the second officer by chance. While virtually all .22 repeating rifles can be fired as fast as the shots timed in the recording, the most common .22 rifles sold are .22 semi-autos. They are the easiest repeater to manufacture and the most popular. I will even venture a prediction as to the model and manufacturer.
It was probably a Marlin Model 60 or variant. 11 million have been sold of just this one model. Many are sold with an inexpensive telescopic sight. They used to be the most popular rifle in the United States, before concern about a potential “assault weapon” ban drove AR-15 type rifle sales through the roof. They are likely one of the most common guns stolen, because there are so many of them. I do not mean to slight the Ruger 10-22, with more than 5 million sold, or the numerous Savages, Springfields, Winchesters, Remingtons, Nobels, Brownings, Smith & Wessons, or numerous other brands that have been sold over the last century while the .22 rimfire semi-auto has been popular. No one knows how many there are in existence. Up until 1968, no serial numbers were required, and for good reason. As stated, they are almost never used in crime.
A conservative estimate would be something in excess of 25 million of these semi-automatic rifles in existence, perhaps as many as 50 million. They are very popular, inexpensive, and useful. With just a little care, they last almost forever. The mild .22 LR cartridge is easy on the actions and the bore.
Marlin makes a great all around useful rifle for the price, a superb example of capitalism making excellence available to the common man. It will be sad if they receive any blame for the actions of socially irresponsible criminals.
That’s pretty much a wild-assed guess. The author doesn’t even know if it was a .22, let alone the make and model.
Bartender, cut Dean Weingarten off please.
Go home Dean, you’re drunk.
There is a Browning Auto-5 and a Polish Mauser (?) in that truck, along with the Glenfields and muzzle-loaders. A couple of idiots threw away hundreds of bucks.
Every squirrel hunter in Missouri owns one- it used to be a typical young boy’s first firearm, and you can get to be an excellent marksman hunting squirrel.
I’m pretty sure many of the police officers know whether it was a 22LR or a more powerful centerfire rifle round just by the sound.
I have a few 22s (pistols and rifles). I also have a 22 magnum PMR 30. When I’m on the range with it, other shooters lean over to look at what in the heck is making that godawful noise. It’s probably louder than my 1911s or similar. A very large bark.
No, not really I guess. But one of my first thoughts was of the bullet hitting the officer in the face and getting lodged somewhere in his head behind the ear.....I was thinking a 22 there.
Nope, grew up with a bolt action then a lever action Win 9422.
Could not afford the ammo or missing multiple times.
125 yards with a 22 is a nice shot on a still day. If any wind at all you would have to play the Kentucky windage on the shot.
+1
“””I’m pretty sure many of the police officers know whether it was a 22LR or a more powerful centerfire rifle round just by the sound.”””
Do cops go through some special “round recognition” training?
Anyone who spends a bit of time around weapons being fired picks up on things that the average person generally wont'. Extra sensitivity is true of any type profession or hobby which entails a lot of familiarity with things - when I was a machinist, I could gauge small items down to a few thousandths by eye and feel.
I agree. I can look at a 1/4 - 20 bolt and tell what it is. But. Cops don't spend any more time on a range than most gun owners. They're not around weapons firing all day like you and I are around bolts.
The idea that cops are somehow able to pick out a weapon from its report over 100 yards away is absurd.
Why the ATF Didn’t Outlaw Your Ammunition This Week
Posted on March 14, 2015 by Rob Morse
http://www.ammoland.com
"So who stopped the ATF ammunition grab? We did!
The ammunition ban isn’t over. The ATF will wait until a cop is shot with a rifle.. even if they have to sell rifles to criminals across the country. Then the ATF will return to the main stream media with fresh talking points in hand and propose an ammunition ban. You can count on it."
I listened to the shots being fire on the video that is out there.
Having heard hundreds of thousands of shots from different firearms being fired, having fired a hundred thousand plus rounds myself.
I believe it was a 22 rim fired but then the recording on a I phone can be miss leading.
I agree, .22LR from a semi-auto rifle.
If it was a .223, we’d be talking about police funerals.
They found the brass, I heard that the first night. They are just not telling us. My bet is .22LR.
I don't agree. With a 22 that is pretty good shooting. Darn good shooting without a scope. Factor in elevation, wind and lighting and someone would have to have experience as well as preplanned sighting in which took into account any elevation.
If it was a 22, it wasn't just some dickhead who grabbed a gun and did it on impulse.
I have read very little about the incident, so I am just shooting off my mouth with nothing to go on....like Dean. His guessing the make of the gun really makes the piece goofy.
They aren't discussing the murdered Iraqi at all.
I seriously doubt that the cops spend any more time on a rifle range than is minimally required.
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