Constitutional Crisis and the Immediacy of Article V

self | March 4, 2015 | self

[Art in Idaho]

“I am not content to put myself in the hands of one prez, nine blackrobes, and 535 congressmen from a distant, mentally detached, and oblivious, Rome like city-state.” - Jacquerie

[Hostage]

Here is an example of an amendment that the states can propose under Article V:

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AMENDMENT XXVIII

To redress the balance of powers between the federal government and the States and to restore effective suffrage of State Legislatures to Congress, the following amendment is proposed:

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Section 1.
A Senator in Congress shall be subject to recall by their respective state legislature or by voter referendum in their respective state.

Section 2.
Term limits for Senators in Congress shall be set by vote in their respective state legislatures but in no case shall be set less than twelve years or more than eighteen years.

Section 3.
Upon a majority vote in three-fifths of state legislatures, federal statutes and federal court decisions shall be overridden.
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If Section 1 above can be replaced with a repeal of the 17th, then that’s even better but it may be a hard sale. Section 1 above gets the job done by making US Senators pay attention to their State Legislators and at the same time requiring both to interact with the state voters.

I would strongly recommend the following must-see video be watched, consumed and studied:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdZuV8JnvvA

And I would strongly recommend you to urge your state senator and state representative, and the people that work for them, to view it.

[Mouton]

Go for what, what else could we lose that we have not already or where it is teetering.

[Jacquerie]

An excellent post, not a rant. Pure logic. Time is short.

[60Gunner]

At this point, do you really think Congress will abide by the law and allow a constitutional convention? My suspicion is that regardless of whether we get 2/3 of the states to move for one, a con-con will never happen because congress, the courts, and the emperor will simply refuse to acknowledge it. They may, in fact, spin the states' votes into 'articles of secession' as a predication for dissolving the constitutional republic and replacing it with a true centralized tyrannical government.

Don't forget that a majority of American voters were stupid enough to elect- and REELECT this POS president. They can be led by the nose to believe pretty much anything the government wants them to believe.

I have completely given up on any notion that the existing government is even remotely interested in doing the right thing- even when the majority of states provide a constitutional mandate for it.

What congress did yesterday was tantamount to a declaration of war against all American citizens in every state.

Now the question is: regardless of what the states may choose to do, what are we AMERICANS going to do?

[Art in Idaho]

Thanks for the info and the Levin ALEC link, a great speech. Term limits and repealing the 17th are certainly needed, especially term limits.

FReepers, most state legislatures are now in session. Let's call and email em'! Contact your State Legislators.

[Jacquerie]

Article V ping!

[Art in Idaho]

Thank you Jacquerie. Yes, time is short. They are emboldened and in full Alinsky mode.

[chris37]

My personal opinion on your question is that no one in the federal government will abide by any amendments that would come from such a convention.

Laws are for the law abiding, and that does not describe this government at all.

However, I still think this final civil step is worth trying. It is the right thing to do to say that we tried all tools at are disposal to fix this before we had no choice but to...

And the time to do this convention is right now, today. there simply is no more time. Our government is completely insane and utterly corrupt.

[chris37]

Thank you kindly for the heads up ^^

[Art in Idaho]

My suspicion is that regardless of whether we get 2/3 of the states to move for one, a con-con will never happen because congress, the courts, and the emperor will simply refuse to acknowledge it. They may, in fact, spin the states' votes into 'articles of secession' as a predication for dissolving the constitutional republic and replacing it with a true centralized tyrannical government. . What congress did yesterday was tantamount to a declaration of war against all American citizens in every state.

Now the question is: regardless of what the states may choose to do, what are we AMERICANS going to do?

I have the same fears you have. I still think we have to forge ahead with Article V. If they ignore the petition from 34 states to form a Convention of States, then it truly is a declaration of war and it will be time to form up. .

[Art in Idaho]

However, I still think this final civil step is worth trying. It is the right thing to do to say that we tried all tools at are disposal to fix this before we had no choice but to...

And the time to do this convention is right now, today. there simply is no more time. Our government is completely insane and utterly corrupt.

Yes, the time is now. If this doesn't work, we have no choice but to. . . totally agree.

[Amendment10]

Although I have ideas for new amendments to the Constitution, I hope that patriots understand the following. A major part of today’s constitutional problems is that all three branches of the corrupt federal government are blatantly ignoring the federal government’s constitutionally limited powers.

In other words, yes to Article V, but also yes to impeachment and accusations of treason.

[Jacquerie]

I suppose I'm a radical in this regard, for I think the states do not need permission from congress to meet in convention.

Still, you are correct in assuming DC will likely deny enough applications exist to call a convention, for more than enough exist now.

Congress’ Present Duty to Call a Convention:

Part I
Part II
Part III
Part IV
Part V
Part VI

[chris37]

Yep, I think we are there.

[mad_as_he$$]

Not going to happen. Congress will never approve something that might get in the way of their personal wealth quest.

[frog in a pot]

Thank you both for this. Lot of good info/links here. Time to get to work at the local level.

To those who say ART V will never work:
- it is worth the effort,
- it will tend to clarify the question of which politicians are real patriots,
- and it may indeed be a necessary step along the road to a more dramatic resolution.

Let's take care of this while our armed forces are yet manned in the largest part by patriots.

[Art in Idaho]

In other words, yes to Article V, but also yes to impeachment and accusations of treason.

Amen to that.

[Greysard]

Now the question is: regardless of what the states may choose to do, what are we AMERICANS going to do?

History provides a simple answer to your question. People, on the average, will do nothing until the pain of not doing becomes higher than the pain of doing.

[Art in Idaho]

You're welcome. As you said, time to get to work at the local level. I'm working on Idaho reps. The one's I've talked to are very interested in the idea, but no formal application approved yet.

And agree that,"Let's take care of this while our armed forces are yet manned in the largest part by patriots."