Posted on 02/02/2015 12:28:23 PM PST by rfreedom4u
My daughter will turn 19 this month. She is our fifth child. She has also been the most worrying to us as she started using drugs a long time ago. She said she first smoked weed at age 12. Since then she has gone on the try many other drugs to include meth, cocaine, pills and LSD and a few others I can’t name. Last year she was in intensive care for 8 days. She has also been in jail about seven or eight times and gone through rehab twice. She is currently living with her mother and I at home but things are getting very tense. She broke up with her boyfriend and says that the stress of breakup makes her want to go get high and chill with her friends. Her friends are not true friends as they are also on drugs. Every time she hangs out with them she stays wasted for a couple days and I had to take her to the ER twice due to overdose on alcohol. Add to all this she has been beat up several times and raped twice that she has admitted to. When you add into this chaos the fact that my wife suffers from a mental illness which is made worse with stress it gets even more chaotic. Now I am at the point where I will soon have to make the choice of allowing my wife to be hospitalized because of her mental illness or I put my daughter out because of the strife she is causing. We’ve offered her all the help in the world and she continues to go on binges and tell us that what we offer won’t help. The last time she got wasted she told us all to “Go f***” ourselves. That night she left the house and was brought home by the police when they found her walking down the highway. As a parent I love my daughter endlessly. But I don’t see how (or why) I should continue to allow her to destroy the rest of the family. But at the same time I feel guilty for what I am considering. We can’t force her into treatment as she is an “adult” and I’m afraid that she will either end up in prison or dead. All this started I believe because she started smoking weed. The weed lowered her inhibitions and resistance and she started doing other drugs. So I truly believe that weed is a gateway drug and should never be legalized. If someone needs it for medicinal purposes they should have to go to a pharmacy for it just like we do with other prescription medications. It hurts me to do it, but I think I may be evicting her from the house today when I get home from work.
Burke also said this.
Burke was a leading sceptic with respect to democracy. While admitting that theoretically, in some cases it might be desirable, he insisted a democratic government in Britain in his day would not only be inept, but also oppressive. He opposed democracy for three basic reasons. First, government required a degree of intelligence and breadth of knowledge of the sort that occurred rarely among the common people. Second, he thought that if they had the vote, common people had dangerous and angry passions that could be aroused easily by demagogues; he feared that the authoritarian impulses that could be empowered by these passions would undermine cherished traditions and established religion, leading to violence and confiscation of property. Third, Burke warned that democracy would create a tyranny over unpopular minorities, who needed the protection of the upper classes.[62]
In other words he thought people were too stupid to govern themselves.
à bon chat, bon rat.
As the black people say, "don't start no $h*t, won't be no $h*t.
Putting out that asinine comment that I was suggesting we ban milk is just asking for a response in kind.
As an open ended question it would depend highly on your society's foundational assumptions.
Indeed, many do not stop at drugs. In Muslim countries, blasphemy will get you killed.
But all this is irrelevant to the fact that executions stop/severely curtail the offensive behavior, whatever it might be.
“The point which you are failing to grasp is that if people have physiological differences which predispose them to reacting differently when exposed to these substances, then perhaps you can understand that there are a lot of people who will react differently when exposed to Marijuana.”
No I grasp it perfectly. Same way diabetics have issues with sugar.
So what’s your position then? Weed is probably going to be legal in most states in the next decade.
I’ve known worthless bums who sat around all day doing bong hits and professional people who never had an issue with MJ.
You seem to have taken, by the timbre of your posts anyway, the position of a temperance league.
I don’t smoke weed but if it was as dangerous as all that to a majority of the people our society would have already cratered.
Can you not see where shades of moral relativism has gotten us?
Sorry you painted yourself in a corner. It doesn't mean I don't understand. It just means your logic fails.
Yes, we certainly need more hair splitting in this discussion.
You can't pose anything here with "Pot" or "Marijuana" in the title without the entire thread quickly deteriorating into the "Drugs-Are-Just-Like-Booze-Leave-Us-Alone" argument and it never ends.
This poor guys has a hideous problem with his daughter and this is what he gets. The endless argument needs to be confined to it's own thread.
Burke was a leading sceptic with respect to democracy. While admitting that theoretically, in some cases it might be desirable, he insisted a democratic government in Britain in his day would not only be inept, but also oppressive. He opposed democracy for three basic reasons. First, government required a degree of intelligence and breadth of knowledge of the sort that occurred rarely among the common people. Second, he thought that if they had the vote, common people had dangerous and angry passions that could be aroused easily by demagogues; he feared that the authoritarian impulses that could be empowered by these passions would undermine cherished traditions and established religion, leading to violence and confiscation of property. Third, Burke warned that democracy would create a tyranny over unpopular minorities, who needed the protection of the upper classes.[62]
In other words he thought people were too stupid to govern themselves.
The evidence of his belief is currently occupying the White House.
I have yet to read a piece of Burke's philosophy with which I disagree. Our founders never intended that this nation should be a Democracy. They had as much respect for the knowledge and opinions of the mob as did Burke. This is why they restricted the voting franchise to tax payers and land owners.
Those with no stake in the well being of the nation ought have no input on the disposition of it's government.
I've got to go. Family has to get fed. To answer this, I can only suggest you broaden your understanding of the arc of time.
If you are not familiar with it, you need to contemplate something called a "logistical growth function."
Here is what one looks like.
Here is another example.
With Great Freedom comes Great responsibility.
~ Responsibility2nd
How these liberal stoners think freedom can flourish under a hazy cloud of dope is beyond me.
You deceive yourself and speak falsehoods.
What if your child had gotten so drunk at the age of 12 -- every bit as likely and possible -- that she either died of alcohol poisoning, was hit by a car, or developed a taste for getting drunk, and went downhill from there?
Do you think your daughter is the ONLY child to have been exposed to pot at that age? Because I have news for you, buddy .........
When people here chimed in that they figured it was a stupid "solution" to outlaw alcohol, would you then be lying and saying, "You're saying it's my daughter's fault!"
And you lie as you say it.
Your poor daughter may not know what the truth is when her own pop has such a propensity to promote hostile, destructive falsehoods.
She's not 12 now... she's 19 (almost). If she's been doing this for 6+ years now and suffering negative effects then I would say that she is indeed an addict and needs help.
I was only debating the rationale for banning an activity for adults in order to try and prevent teens from getting into trouble. Pot was illegal for adults in ALL states when she was 12, so blaming her situation on today's legalization status is absurd.
... and we will see how much righteous folks are willing to bear false witness to "win" an argument.
And you, DiogenesLamp, a are liar who, if you leveled the same charges 150 years ago, would have been shot in a duel before you reached the age of 25, with your contempt for truth and honor.
Do you explain to people that your experiment involves you choosing what side they're on?
You can expect to reason with these people like you might reason with an Iman out of Baghdad
. They are so ate up with what they believe they can never have rational thought, ever.
Probably better than you can see what big government bureaucracies filled with zero-tolerance zealots have gotten us.
When did ours become important? I thought Singapore was the good stuff.
Libs are liberatarians and liberals, no difference . What they both want is for them to do anything they want and want anarchy.
They use the same analogies like you have said and then use the same slogans of No Govt, translation let us use what ever drugs we want , have sex with anything we want, when we want where we want.
they’re just as sick as each other.
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