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Envying France, where guns aren't part of the altercation equation
newobserver.com ^ | Dec. 9, 2014 | Matt Buys

Posted on 01/07/2015 11:16:31 AM PST by PROCON

My 10-year old daughter and I visited Paris last month. We stayed in a small, clean hotel with private bathrooms near a bustling train station, Gare Du L’est. Senegalese, Kurds, Algerians, Vietnamese, Bengalese and some Parisians – all call this arrondissement, or urban administrative district, home. This small slice of Paris offers a smörgåsbord of cross-cultural experiences.

Since Gare Du L’est is one of the least-expensive locations in Paris, it is bit rough around the edges. That is, there is a little drug dealing, a little prostitution and lots of who knows what else. Further, my daughter, Katie, had never been to Europe or, for that matter, any country other than the United States. During our first days in Paris, she clinched my hand, without saying anything, tightly. Her grip loosened as we immersed ourselves in the sights and sounds of the different cultures. Each morning as we walked to the Metro, we tried guessing the different languages being spoken and enjoyed eating the Kurdish flat bread as much as the Parisian croissants.

France is a great country. But some French, like some Americans, struggle with diversity. At a local grocery store, we witnessed a white security guard shadowing a young black male. The boy, around the same age as my own teenage sons, had done nothing wrong. He was simply shopping for food. Soon, we saw him irritated by the guard’s menacing proximity. The boy left the store in anger and frustration. As the boy cleared the door, the guard yelled a racist slur. My daughter and I held our breath and looked down.

While we waited in the check-out line, the boy returned with his parents, an interracial couple. They were having none of the guard’s uncalled for ethnocentric behavior and slurs. Suddenly, several other customers chimed in, berating the security guard. Stunned at the outbursts, my daughter and I remained still and silent. In North Carolina, people tend not to raise their voices in grocery stores.

Walking back to our hotel, we talked about what we had seen, trying to make sense of it. How was this racist incident different from racist incidents in the USA? Well, frankly, one glowing difference stood out from the beginning: No one was armed. No one threatened to shoot anyone. Indeed, the fear of violence was significantly lessened by the absence of guns. The white security guard did not fear for his life. The boy did not fear for his life. The other people in the store did not fear for their lives. Neither did my daughter nor I.

In America, with the possibility that the guard, the boy and his parents – not to mention others in the store – might have been packing heat, I would have dropped my cheese and salami, grabbed my daughter and exited stage-right.

How simple the lesson? Remove the fear of guns from the equation, and it reduces the chance, to zero, of anyone getting shot. Moreover, it potentially clears the social stage for, one would hope, intelligent conversation, not to mention making life safer for everyone involved.

In case you did not know, Paris municipal police do not carry guns.

I understand that American cities, Atlanta and Charlotte come to mind, cannot metamorphose into Paris. And I admit I have guns I use to hunt.

But considering the everyday terror and death faced by too many civilians in our own communities, I envy France’s peaceful ways.


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I did a google search of "Why aren't French police armed" and got this gem.


How simple the lesson? Remove the fear of guns from the equation, and it reduces the chance, to zero, of anyone getting shot. Moreover, it potentially clears the social stage for, one would hope, intelligent conversation, not to mention making life safer for everyone involved.

In case you did not know, Paris municipal police do not carry guns.

I understand that American cities, Atlanta and Charlotte come to mind, cannot metamorphose into Paris. And I admit I have guns I use to hunt.

But considering the everyday terror and death faced by too many civilians in our own communities, I envy France’s peaceful ways.

1 posted on 01/07/2015 11:16:31 AM PST by PROCON
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Gun attack on French magazine Charlie Hebdo kills 11

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3244280/posts


2 posted on 01/07/2015 11:19:28 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (Bush / Clinton 2016! Clinton / Bush 2020! Uniparty Rules!)
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"...In North Carolina, people tend not to raise their voices in grocery stores...."

....Unless they're black, in which case you must never correct their behavior.

This tripe is a leftist's mutual masturbation, nothing more

3 posted on 01/07/2015 11:19:53 AM PST by T-Bone Texan (The time is now to form up into leaderless cells of 5 men or less.)
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REPORT: A Car Has Exploded In Front Of A French Synagogue

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3244335/posts


4 posted on 01/07/2015 11:20:04 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (Bush / Clinton 2016! Clinton / Bush 2020! Uniparty Rules!)
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To: PROCON
How simple the lesson? Remove the fear of guns from the equation, and it reduces the chance, to zero, of anyone getting shot.

How is this lesson more complex than this idiot surmises? Knives. Anyone could be packing a blade which would change the equation quite a lot.

5 posted on 01/07/2015 11:20:32 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Life and death are but temporary states. But Freedom endures forever.)
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The charming diversity this guy immersed his daughter in just murdered 12 people including two unarmed policemen. So cute that he got to fly his family to France at 2,000 per ticket, stay in hotels at 150/night, to show them how stupid Americans are. Yet here we are, something that cannot happen in America just happened. How charming.


6 posted on 01/07/2015 11:24:20 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

When law abiding citizens cannot carry guns only criminals will have guns.


7 posted on 01/07/2015 11:26:05 AM PST by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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8 posted on 01/07/2015 11:26:14 AM PST by mrmeyer (You can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him. – Robert Heinlein)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

So, I guess this guy is a complete idiot and nothing he said should be taken seriously? Apparently the police in France don’t have much fear of guns either. 12 people are dead because guns were removed from one side of the equation.


9 posted on 01/07/2015 11:26:36 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: PROCON

Proving the old adage, “An armed society s a polite society.”

Those Frenchmen and their impotent police were sitting ducks today.


10 posted on 01/07/2015 11:26:48 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: PROCON
The usual fallacy in these cross national comparisons is that comparative others are countries like Japan, Sweden or some of the Scandinavian countries that lack a violent urban minority population as in the US. If you take that population out of US gun crime statistics, the US fits directly in the mix of most European countries.

What's interesting here, is the complete ignorance of the very small minority, but hyper violent (and relatively well trained, organized and focused), that is evidently in the midst of Europe in the form of Muslims. Until you arm citizens (and street cops) in France and elsewhere, the country is a giant gun free zone for the terrorists to play in.

I'm sure everyone who saw this story in the US had the same sequence of questions - 1. What are the gun laws in France, and 2. What would I do in that situation? The answers seem to be "effective citizen disarmament" and "throw a chair or a pencil cup" - cause that's all you got.

11 posted on 01/07/2015 11:28:39 AM PST by Wally_Kalbacken
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12 posted on 01/07/2015 11:29:06 AM PST by caww
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They always have to throw in “I used to hunt” or “my grandpa was in World War II” or “I get my meat from the store where no animals are hurt in the process” or some such gibberish.


13 posted on 01/07/2015 11:29:20 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me.)
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To: PROCON
Today:


14 posted on 01/07/2015 11:29:37 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (Bush / Clinton 2016! Clinton / Bush 2020! Uniparty Rules!)
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This school board guy could move to Paris that way he would feel safer. I have never seenthe senario he speaks of. We don’t raise .our voices in the supermarket because it is rude and obnoxious


15 posted on 01/07/2015 11:30:12 AM PST by WilliamRobert (Elections mean nothing, until politicians have to pay a real price.)
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To: demshateGod

16 posted on 01/07/2015 11:30:28 AM PST by caww
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first off, I bet the “racial incident” was made up. Or the kid had been suspected of being a thief, he left to get his parents instead of showing his money ... probably had none


17 posted on 01/07/2015 11:31:41 AM PST by GeronL
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To: demshateGod
Why would you guess that? Based on my statement? Did I say nothing he said could be taken seriously?

I think it was clear that what I said was that he is deluding himself if he thinks he is safe in a public place simply because he perceives a total lack of firearms.

There are many things that can cause harm when used as a weapon.

18 posted on 01/07/2015 11:32:12 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Life and death are but temporary states. But Freedom endures forever.)
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That worked out real well for them today.


19 posted on 01/07/2015 11:32:43 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Good Muslims, like good Nazis or good liberals, are terrible human beings.)
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To: PROCON
Remove the fear of guns from the equation, and it reduces the chance, to zero, of anyone getting shot.

Right. And when guns are outlawed, who has them?

In case you did not know, Paris municipal police do not carry guns.

We know now.

20 posted on 01/07/2015 11:34:46 AM PST by Billthedrill
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