Saint Gentle Giant and fellow thugs attack openly armed, trained people.
I think it's more about how you carry yourself and situational awareness. I know some people who carry concealed as do I and I'm convinced it they ever had to use it, would likely be ‘too little, too late’.
Unfortunately,many permit carrier's training ended at the last carry class they were required to take to get their license.
I always hear how “dangerous” it is to OC......yet never see any similar stories about OCers having their guns taken and/or being attacked.
Remember, all,
if you are a target of a surprise attack, aka ambush,
that is a disparity of force situation,
and it allows you to use equal OR GREATER force than what you perceive your attackers have.
In other words you can immediately draw your weapon and fire.
Further if it’s more than one attacker, that is a second disparity of force reason and even if the DA or anyone else would discount it b/c you were ambushed, multiple attackers allows you to use greater force.
Always remember disparity of force. If you are weaker, older, smaller, injured, disabled, are surprise attacked, or attacked by multiple thugs, you can use greater force because every one of these situations puts you at an immediate disadvantage to your attackers.
I have to respectfully disagree. Nothing in that scenario would have been changed if the victim had been carrying openly except that that the perps wouldn’t have had to frisk him. Sometimes all you really have to protect you is situational awareness.
Assuming facts not in evidence. It’s equally possible two thugs could target someone openly carrying a gun to steal it. They would be alerted and would approach more cautiously to get the drop on him.
This opens up a whole range of possibilities. One of which is the possibility that the CCW carrier was inadequately prepared and trained. Just having a CCW permit does not mean the person is prepared. By forms of Carry require that the person be ‘situationally’ aware of what is going on around him/her. By having a pistol or either ‘carry’ the person should maintain themselves in a high degree of awareness observing everything and everyone around. Even police officers must do this.
Unfortunately the NYPD officers seated in their patrol car were probably not in condition ‘Orange’. Recently some cities were considering installing 360degree cameras in patrol cars.
Something is amiss in this situation. Examine the crime.
(After a pistol whipping cheap shot) They then “put him face down on the ground, frisked him, and stole the victim’s concealed weapon,” the report states.
Even the first person who commented in the news article said, “They took his gun, but not his wallet?” First red flag.
It seems to me that they *knew* he had a cc weapon, and their intent from the start was to get it. Why else put somebody down and *frisk* them?
This sounds like a scene from a Mickey Spillane novel.
So unless the guy intentionally, or accidentally, flashed his gun in public, or it was obvious through his clothes, it would behoove the police to follow up with some questions to the victim, because the assumption should be that he knew his assailants.
The location, Henry Clay and Coliseum in NOLA, by Google street view, is a residential suburban area. Side streets, lawns and houses. Not a typical mugging location either.
It is possible to lose a gunfight, whether concealed or open carry.
The gun, and your ability to deal with the situation, just give you a fighting chance.
Ideally we all should be openly carrying with a back up hidden on our person as well.
No one can be prepared for everything. Stuff happens.
Neither is any advantage if you’re not paying attention to your surroundings.
Open carry they attack from behind or simply draw on you first.
Concealed carry, you let them get too close without identifying the threat.
If it comes to becoming ‘open carry’, to deter crime, then I’m going to carry a service-size revolver, as my second choice. My first choice would be to ‘open carry’ a snubnose, preferably a concealed hammer design. Why? It seems that the usual CCW class ‘distance’ is 10 yards or less. Since it seems that most ‘occurences’ are within that distance, the snubnose is the better choice, over the service-size revolver of the same caliber, which excels at the old school distances, out to 25 yards. Also, a snubnose is manufactured with a ‘zero/zero’ designed for a 158 grain projectile. The ‘old school’ projectiles employed for many years have been both solid standard pressure lead 158 grain full- and 148 grain semi-wadcutters. They are still efficient in their design.
Pocket concealment is still the better method.
Magazines on the belt, or their shape seen on the body, is not too concealed, are they? I know, the same for cylindrical speedloaders, too.
I’ll stick with concealed. Especially in church or around cops.
Especially if you are the actual intended target - no sign of a weapon is a good sign to most thugs.
I understand that some think OC makes them more vulnerable, but most of the scenarios I can think of say that OC is a bigger deterrent than threat to the armed citizen with a gun on his/her hip.
Situational awareness is a must - especially when in a vulnerable/isolated position. When I'm isolated, i don't let anyone that kicks of my "Spidey-Senses" within 30' and my weapon is uncovered for easy access. In more crowded places, I usually cover it with an un-tucked shirt - i'm not much of a best-dressed model....