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How the 17th Amendment is destroying America
Megyn Kelly ^ | December 4, 2014 | Justin Haskins

Posted on 12/04/2014 6:37:59 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Few Americans who entered polling booths for the Nov. 4 election and pulled the lever for their favorite candidate for Senate realize that for most of American history, senators were chosen by the state legislatures. It wasn’t until 1913 that the 17thAmendment was passed, granting American voters the constitutional right of directly electing their senators.

While this important amendment may seem innocuous, the reality is that few other changes to our Constitution have had the same detrimental effect on our nation than this single, nearly forgotten alteration.

The passage of the 17th Amendment was driven largely by the populist movement of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, led in part by the wildly talented orator, Secretary of State William Jennings Bryan. The cry from the supporters of the 17thAmendment was that the average individual was being taken out of an important and valuable process. Any true proponent of democracy must, they reasoned, favor the empowerment of the common man over state institutions.

Although it’s true the 17th Amendment gives more direct power to the individual voter, the purpose of the Senate was never to represent the individual voters – the House of Representatives already served that function. The Senate was designed from its very inception by the Founding Fathers to protect the rights of the once-sovereign states.

In the legendary Federalist Papers, intellectual giant James Madison, who would eventually become America’s fourth president, explained in essay “No. 63” the importance of the role of the Senate elected by a state legislature rather than the people themselves: “To a people as little blinded by prejudice or corrupted by flattery as those whom I address, I shall not scruple to add, that such an institution [a Senate elected by the state legislatures] may be sometimes necessary as a defense to the people against their own temporary errors and delusions. … so there are particular moments in public affairs when the people, stimulated by some irregular passion, or some illicit advantage, or misled by the artful misrepresentations of interested men, may call for measures which they themselves will afterwards be the most ready to lament and condemn.”

Madison continued, “In these critical moments, how salutary will be the interference of some temperate and respectable body of citizens, in order to check the misguided career, and to suspend the blow meditated by the people against themselves, until reason, justice, and truth can regain their authority over the public mind?”

The purpose of the Senate then was to exist as a safeguard against two potentially tyrannical powers: the presidency and the people.

Madison, like all the Founding Fathers, understood that each voter, whether he or she is a member of a state legislature or an individual citizen, casts a vote based primarily on personal interests. A citizen not familiar with the difficulties, responsibilities, or struggles of a state legislature is far less likely to vote for a senator who will represent the interests of his or her state.

In contrast, the individual legislator is likely to vote with a special sort of caution – one that looks suspiciously on any candidate that may seek to usurp the power of a state. In this unique instance, both liberals and conservatives in a state legislature stand on common ground. Although they often disagree on issues of policy, neither wishes to see the power of the state legislature diminished in favor of centralized government in Washington, DC.

Since 1913, the power and irresponsibility of the federal government has grown exponentially. Because states no longer have a seat at the table, state legislatures are now constantly at the mercy of the federal government, and there is no sign of a return to sanity in the near future.

A good illustration of the erosion of the responsibility of government is found by looking at outstanding government debt.

The debt actually shrank from 1790, when a large debt remained outstanding from the Revolutionary War, to 1850. It increased only slightly in the 50-year period beginning in 1865, the final year of the Civil War, and ending in 1915.

The 50-year periods following the passage of 17th Amendment witnessed a remarkably different era of fiscal responsibility (or the lack thereof). From 1913 to 1963, the outstanding national debt grew from just under $3 billion to over $305 billion. From 1963 to 2013, the outstanding debt climbed to over $16.7 trillion.

Without a check and balance on the spending power of the federal government, voters continued to ask for more expensive social programs and the federal government happily obliged (or perhaps the federal government implemented programs first and the people, not wanting to lose their newly found financial benefits, then demanded the protection of those programs).

In addition to the deplorable lack of fiscal restraint, the states have also largely been stripped of their powers in other arenas as well. Although the examples of this power grab are seemingly endless, two more recent expositions of federal tyranny over the states are the now-infamous No Child Left Behind Act established by President George W. Bush and the current push made by President Barack Obama to implement Common Core State Standards – national standards for curriculum that all states are being coerced into accepting through the use of Obama’s Race to the Top federal grants.

If states do not even have sovereignty in the area of education, a topic clearly meant to be protected by the 10th Amendment and a subject nowhere discussed or implied to be under the power of the federal government in the Constitution, then what legitimate powers remain?

Other than the ability to tax and issue driver’s licenses, states have little sovereignty, and the evidence is overwhelming that this is the logical result of the elimination of the state legislature’s role in selecting members of the Senate.

Had the 17th Amendment never been passed, America would be far different (and better) than it is today.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Conspiracy; Education; Government; History; Politics
KEYWORDS: 10thamendment; 17thamendment; articlev; biggovernment; commoncore; congress; debt; deficit; education; eductaion; elections; federalistpapers; jamesmadison; legislatures; nochildleftbehind; repeal; senate; seventeenthamendment; spending; states; tinfoiledagain; tinfoilery
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To: Cry if I Wanna

California doesn’t have 40 Millions Liberals.

It’s about 60/40 right now, which means there are about 16 million conservatives. Probably the equalivent of 1/2 a dozen or more Mid-West Red states.

California was shifted to the left by immigration.

In case you haven’t noticed but the California plan is being imposed on the rest of the nation.

Won’t be too long before you state is as looney as California.


21 posted on 12/04/2014 7:21:16 PM PST by crusher2013
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To: crusher2013

well said.


22 posted on 12/04/2014 8:13:47 PM PST by txnativegop (I'm out of ideas about tag lines.)
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To: ex91B10
"Similar to the British Lords/Commons?"

Yep, except that state senators and representatives of both political parties want bigger spending and more regulations than the general population wants. Oh...and yes, to serve their most influential local boss constituents by preventing new business competition. They'd probably like to raise property taxes tenfold and toss any peasant trying to build on private property into the Colosseum for the spectacle.


23 posted on 12/04/2014 8:42:43 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: basil

Ping to read tomorrow.


24 posted on 12/04/2014 8:45:02 PM PST by basil (2ASisters.org)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Agreed.

BTW, under the old system (pre-17th Amendment), there would probably be even more GOP Senators.


25 posted on 12/04/2014 9:10:00 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

And combined with that, and even worse, was the creation of the Federal Reserve.

Progressive government then had control over the money supply and interest rates. No expensive social-engineering scheme need ever go wanting.


26 posted on 12/04/2014 9:57:18 PM PST by PGR88
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Might as well disolve the senate and add two more house seats for each state....

Also the 17th has led to an apathy in the population about picking people for the state houses...

It was another ploy of centralization by the (p) regressives.


27 posted on 12/04/2014 10:35:40 PM PST by GraceG (Protect the Border from Illegal Aliens, Don't Protect Illegal Alien Boarders...)
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To: cripplecreek

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28 posted on 12/04/2014 11:01:14 PM PST by NutCrackerBoy
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Thanks for the ping. Maybe there really is a chance to be rid of the 17th.
29 posted on 12/05/2014 1:14:24 AM PST by Jacquerie (Article V. If not now, when?)
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To: Paladin2
<>Nothing stops a State’s Senator from doing the budness of the State in DC.<>

It isn't in the interest of a senator to look out for his state.

It is however, very much in his interest to become a demagogue, appeal to the base motives of the people, in order to remain in office.

30 posted on 12/05/2014 1:19:57 AM PST by Jacquerie (Article V. If not now, when?)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
In contrast, the individual legislator is likely to vote with a special sort of caution – one that looks suspiciously on any candidate that may seek to usurp the power of a state. In this unique instance, both liberals and conservatives in a state legislature stand on common ground. Although they often disagree on issues of policy, neither wishes to see the power of the state legislature diminished in favor of centralized government in Washington, DC.

Right. Just as liberals in Congress are concerned about preventing expansion of judicial and presidential power that infringes on that of Congress.

Oh, wait...

31 posted on 12/05/2014 1:28:07 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
The 50-year periods following the passage of 17th Amendment witnessed a remarkably different era of fiscal responsibility (or the lack thereof). From 1913 to 1963, the outstanding national debt grew from just under $3 billion to over $305 billion. From 1963 to 2013, the outstanding debt climbed to over $16.7 trillion.

Sorry, but inflation, growth in population and in size of the economy all make this statement meaningless.

A more rational comparison is of debt to gdp. Which is bad enough.

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/11/the-long-story-of-us-debt-from-1790-to-2011-in-1-little-chart/265185/

32 posted on 12/05/2014 1:33:42 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Talisker
Another awful aspect of the 17th is that it denied the consent of the governed.

The government of our republic differed from all those previous, in that it acts not just directly on the people, but also on member republics, the states.

Until 1913, both the people and states were represented in the law making body, congress. That made perfect sense and was/is absolutely necessary to republican government.

Post 1913, the states are not represented in a government that acts on them! In order to remain internally consistent with republican theory, every clause which dealt with the states should have been repealed along with the 17th. That of course is impossible, for our system has the people/states/national entities intertwined in their duties.

The 17th left behind a federal constitution without a federal government!

Also, check out the last clause of Article V. “ . . . and that no State, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.” From Wiki, FL, GA, KY, MS, SC, and VA have not ratified the 17th. The 17th was another insult from the victors of the Civil War. The legislatures of these states should still appoint their senators.

33 posted on 12/05/2014 1:37:17 AM PST by Jacquerie (Article V. If not now, when?)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
Utah is now making a stand to see if they can retake lands taken by the feds.

The feds never "took land away from Utah." They just retained title to land that private citizens didn't buy, as in other states.

Most federal land, in Utah and elsewhere, was up for sale through the mid-20th century.

BTW, this was part of the Enabling Act by which Congress authorized entry of Utah as a state.

That the people inhabiting said proposed State do agree and declare that they forever disclaim all right and title to the unappropriated public lands lying within the boundaries thereof;... and that until the title thereto shall have been extinguished by the United States, the same shall be and remain subject to the disposition of the United States

http://archives.utah.gov/research/exhibits/Statehood/1894text.htm

What part of "forever" does Utah not understand?

34 posted on 12/05/2014 1:42:17 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Can anybody here demonstrate the 17thj Amendment was even Ratified??
http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd522.htm

There are numerous articles with tons of evidence that it never was. My First inkling was while watching CSPAN years ago and a show came on called:
“The Law that Never Was” He showed on CSPAN LIVE that the 16th Amendment was NEVER RATIFIED and he had the Certified State Documents to Prove it, they shut him down years later for distributing this information, even though it was this EVIDENCE that WON his Case against the IRS.


35 posted on 12/05/2014 7:37:48 AM PST by eyeamok
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
the individual legislator is likely to... look... suspiciously on any candidate that may seek to usurp the power of a state. In this unique instance, both liberals and conservatives in a state legislature stand on common ground... neither wishes to see the power of the state legislature diminished in favor of centralized government in Washington, DC.

Oh, really? Worship of Big Nanny has become an epidemic. Besides, that's where the really big bucks are located.

36 posted on 12/05/2014 9:02:01 AM PST by Albion Wilde (It is better to offend a human being than to offend God.)
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