Mark Levin may get his evil wish to convene a Constitutional Convention

5/13/14 | johnwk

[JOHN W K]

SEE: Did Michigan just trigger 'constitutional convention'? Bid gains steam

In the wake of the vote, California Republican Rep. Duncan Hunter pressed House Speaker John Boehner on Tuesday to determine whether the states just crossed the threshold for this kind of convention. Like Michigan lawmakers, Hunter's interest in the matter stems from a desire to push a balanced-budget amendment -- something that could potentially be done at a constitutional convention.

If Duncan Hunter wants to balance the annual budget, then why does he not “push” for and demand the apportioned direct tax which is in our Constitution be used to extinguish annual deficits as our Founding Fathers intended?

The liars are at it again, pretending their objectives are noble, but their ultimate aim is to convene a convention so those who now hold power at the federal and state level may rewrite our Constitution and make constitutional that which is now unconstitutional.

How is the budget to be balanced? The answer is found in a number of our State Ratification documents which gave birth to our Constitution, for example see: Ratification of the Constitution by the State of New Hampshire

Fourthly That Congress do not lay direct Taxes but when the money arising from Impost, Excise and their other resources are insufficient for the Publick Exigencies; nor then, untill Congress shall have first made a Requisition upon the States, to Assess, Levy, & pay their respective proportions, of such requisitions agreeably to the Census fixed in the said Constitution in such way & manner as the Legislature of the State shall think best and in such Case if any State shall neglect, then Congress may Assess & Levy such States proportion together with the Interest thereon at the rate of six per Cent per Annum from the Time of payment prescribed in such requisition-

For an example of a direct tax being laid by Congress see an Act laying a direct tax for $3 million in which the rule of apportionment is applied and each State’s share is determined.

Did you ever hear Mark Levin inform his listening audience that our founders put the emergency apportioned direct taxing power in the Constitution to be used when imposts, duties, and excise taxes were found insufficient to meet Congress expenditures ? I haven’t. But Mark Levin wants a convention so he can promote his socialist flat tax which he now does with one of his “liberty amendments”.

A flat tax calculated from incomes, even if “flat”, does absolutely nothing to remove the iron fist of our federal government from the necks of America’s hard working productive citizens and business owners.

Hey Mark, does your flat tax end our despotic federal government from arbitrarily deciding what is and what is not taxable income? No! Does your socialist tax on profits gains and other “incomes” end our Washington Establishment’s use of taxation to intentionally seek out America’s productive hard working citizens and transfer the bread they have earned to a dependent voting block who prostitutes their vote for free government cheese? No! Tell us Mark Levin, how about the devastating and slavish manipulations carried out under this socialist tax calculated from incomes? Does your flat tax end that and class warfare? No! Or, would your flat tax end taxation being used as a political weapon to silence, threaten and punish political foes while rewarding the friends of a tyrannical bloated federal government? Heck No! So why are you comfortable with a flat tax which in turn is a component part of a despotic federal government? I know why….you are part of the Washington Establishment which works to defeat the miracle our founding fathers created.

If you were really sincere about supporting our founding fathers Mark, you would be promoting a return to our Constitutions ORIGINAL TAX PLAN as our founders intended it to operate with the following H.J.RESOLUTION:


House/Senate Joint Resolution


Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the sixteenth article of amendment and end taxes calculated from profits, gains, salaries and other “incomes”.


Section 1: The sixteenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is hereby repealed.


Section 2: Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay ``any`` tax or burden calculated from profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money.


Section 3: This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by three fourths of the several States, as provided in the Constitution, within seven years from the date of the submission thereof to the States by the Congress.



JWK


" I believe that there are more instances of the abridgement of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachment of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." ___ Madison Elliot`s Debates, vol. III, page 87

 

[JRandomFreeper]

But it comes with incredible risk.

How so?

Any amendments coming out of a Convention of States must still be ratified by three quarters of the States.

/johnny

[sickoflibs]

RE :”Did you ever hear Mark Levin inform his listening audience that our founders put the emergency apportioned direct taxing power in the Constitution to be used when imposts, duties, and excise taxes were found insufficient to meet Congress expenditures ? I haven’t. But Mark Levin wants a convention so he can promote his socialist flat tax which he now does with one of his “liberty amendments”.

Check out this rant on Levin's ‘socialist flat tax’ .

I don't see a Constitutional Convention coming anytime soon.
But the idea did sell a few of Levin's books. The owners can put them next to their copy of 'Going Rogue: An American Life'

[HMS Surprise]

Bind up the government with new rules? Yeah, and do it quick.

[sickoflibs]

Things are heating up on this thread LOL

[Tenacious 1]

No good could possibly come out of this.

You are going to have to explain that. We are now operating well outside the confines of our Constitution. Term Limits, Balanced Budget, Tax reforms? If the Red States pull together, it is likely our last and best hope. And seeing how many conservative (republican at least) governors and legislatures are in power across the nation, the time is right for it as well.

I just e-mail Governor Mike Pence again about it.

[JOHN W K]

If the people want to take back their government, then they must rise to the occasion. But to think those who now hold political power at the federal and state level will work in the people's interest if a convention were called is to believe the fox can be trusted to care for the chickens.

If the people want to take back their government the following photos tell the tale: CLICK HERE

The future of America does rest in the hands of the American People and this coming election will play an important part in beginning the process of taking back our government from those who now use its force to enslave the American people!

Regards,

JWK

If we can make 51 percent of America’s population dependent upon an Obama, welfare, food stamp, section 8 housing, college loan check, and now free Obamacare along with FREE BACON, we can blackmail them for their vote, keep ourselves in power and keep the remaining portion of America’s productive population enslaved to pay the bills ____ Obama’s Marxist Free Cheese Democracy, which is designed to establish a federal dictatorship and redistribute the wealth which wage earners, business and investors have worked to create.

[Tenacious 1]

Did not Mark Levin write a book not long ago about Constitutional articles?

Not so long ago. Publish Date: 8/13/2013

[Tenacious 1]

I don’t think what Mr Levin wants is called a constitutional convention. I think it’s called a convention of states. I understand there is a difference.

You are exactly correct. And FReepers NEED to educate themselves on the difference. A convention of the states puts the Federal Reps on the sidelines. The states and their own elected Governors and Legislatures run the show from proposals to ratification. The POTUS, SCOTUS and congress have no say.

[JOHN W K]

It defies human logic to believe delegates chosen to attend a convention who are appointed by State Legislatures and Governors who engage in the same types of tyranny our federal government engages in would act in the Taxpayer’s best interests if a convention were called to amend our federal Constitution. And judging from the overwhelming financial dependency upon the federal government that every Governor and State Legislature has submitted themselves to, not to mention how almost every State has an enormous deficit and an underfunded state pension fund which is a ticking time bomb, that they would not be motivated to select delegates to a convention who would act in concert with the federal government to further tighten the iron fist of government around the necks of America’s hard working citizens and business owners, and find new ways to legally confiscate the wealth they create in order to “redistribute” it in a manner which keeps these federal and State tyrants in power.

If you get a chance, I urge you to read: Article V Group Ignores States' Complicity in Federal Power Grab

” Of all the misrepresentations often repeated by the pro-Article V constitutional convention proponents, one of the most important is the “states as victims” mantra … the claim that the federal government is “seizing power from the states” cannot be stipulated to without falsely portraying states as victims rather than as accomplices to these crimes against the Constitution."

If a solution to the tyranny which is carried out at both the federal and state level is to be found, it certainly will not come from those who carry out the tyranny. I know of not one tyrannical government which has willingly released its iron fist from the necks of its citizens!

JWK

[sickoflibs]

RE :”If the people want to take back their government, then they must rise to the occasion. But to think those who now hold political power at the federal and state level will work in the people's interest if a convention were called is to believe the fox can be trusted to care for the chickens.”

I am sure that my state Maryland will do its part . Martin O Malley...

What could go wrong?

There is absolute safety in proposing ideas that you (Mark) know will never be tried, sells lots of books too.

‘If only....’

If only Trump ran,
If only Sarah ran,

LOL

[Tenacious 1]

I honestly do not believe GOP leadership/establishment really want a balance budget amendment. They could simply refuse to vote for increasing the debt ceiling and the balance budget amendment would be enforced right there.

AGAIN, FReepers need to educate themselves on what is being proposed. A Convention of the States excludes the Federal Government. Congress, POTUS and SCOTUS has NO authority and are bound by the states ratification per Article V.

[JOHN W K]

Anyone with common sense knows what it is. Stop trying to switch the subject.

JWK

[Orangedog]

Any amendments coming out of a Convention of States must still be ratified by three quarters of the States.

Never underestimate the damage that can be inflicted by dumbass voters in large numbers.

[crz]

Tell you what boy, since you hit and ran.
I dont like the present tax system, nobody in their right mind should. I really am not nuts over the flat tax because it leaves for much mischief and is a direct tax on income..but then again, all taxes are a direct tax on income. I propose a excises tax..THATS RIGHT, a ONE TIME COLLECTED national retail sales tax that gets everyone. Illegals, criminals, welfare people, people coming here to visit, EVERYONE. But having said that, again, I would take a flat tax over the present system.
James Madison wrote that of all taxes, excise is the least abhorant.
In support of Levin, the constitution DEMANDS conventions to propose amendments when the federal government gets out of hand. Opposing Levin, I also believe that nullification is another way, since the STATES CREATED this monster, they can rip the GD thing down and start it over, either together or separately. But to do nothing is in itself cowardly, and those like you who would oppose the very idea of fighting a tyrannical oligarchy is shameful. You sir, stand where? In opposition to liberty?
In short, I support anything that will put this oligarchy back in its place..and that means Mark Levins proposals to a tee. I am behind him and those like him 100%.

[E. Pluribus Unum]

I have no idea how many times you have to be told that an Article 5 is not a constitutional convention. The constitution cannot be rewritten. An Article 5 convention is for amendments only, like a balanced-budget amendment or an amendment stopping Congress from exempting itself from laws it imposes upon the peasants.

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Comprende?

[JRandomFreeper]

It's up to the state legislatures to ratify the amendments.

/johnny

[Crazieman]

You void your own argument. If it is truly at that point, then nothing short of civil war will solve it. THINK before you type, if that is too difficult an concept. I suspect it is.

[Crazieman]

Difficult a concept**

Autocorrect

[Tenacious 1]

I am not confident you are familiar with the process based on your posts. While I agree an intense PR battle would take place in a Convention of the States, the drivers would be the state Governors, not federal reps and Senators.

I do not imagine there is any other civil course of action to get this country going back in the right direction. If they screw it up and we need another civil war, so be it. But, for the sake of my children, and the future of this nation that I love, I would get VERY active in the pursuit. I expect a great many other (normally quiet conservatives) would as well.

[sickoflibs]

RE :”I have no idea how many times you have to be told that an Article 5 is not a constitutional convention. The constitution cannot be rewritten. An Article 5 convention is for amendments only, like a balanced-budget amendment or an amendment stopping Congress from exempting itself from laws it imposes upon the peasants.
.....
Comprende?”

Going no-where fast (except selling a few books)

Comprende?”