The title of the WND article on the 7-2 Alabama case is misleading, but Chief Justice Moore did make some very interesting comments...
Thanks to Seizethecarp, and thecodont.
Posted on 03/22/2014 5:57:33 AM PDT by iontheball
One of the last remaining court battles over Barack Obama’s presidential eligibility has gone down in flames in a 7-2 decision by the Alabama Supreme Court to render “no opinion.”
However, the dissenting minority of Justice Tom Parker and Chief Justice Roy Moore concluded the case has serious constitutional significance, warranting an investigation of the qualifications of 2012 presidential candidates by Alabama’s secretary of state.
Moore wrote in his dissent that the circuit court should have granted the plaintiffs’ request to order the state secretary of state “to implement the natural-born-citizen requirement of the presidential-qualifications clause in future elections.”
“Although the removal of a president-elect or a president who has taken the oath of office is within the breast of Congress, the determination of the eligibility of the 2012 presidential candidates before the casting of the electoral votes is a state function,” Moore argued.
He said the case was of “great constitutional significance in regard to the highest office in our land.”
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
> This is not what the framers of the U.S. Constitution envisioned.
The framers of the Constitution would be very happy, very sad and very pissed off if they had a time travel machine and traveled to this moment in our history; very happy that they had put almost all of the key components into the Constitution to keep a tyrant like Obama from ascending the throne, very sad that the politicians don’t understand its importance, and very pissed off that they are allowing a tyrant put into place by a foreign power to dismantle it and too blind to realize that they have been invaded by a foreign power who is wreaking havoc from the inside out. Either that or they are so corrupt they are allowing him to do it for payoffs or were blackmailed into silence because of their wretched behavior.
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Are you contending that weasel-ass politicians can violate their oaths of office and, in so doing, commit treason by undermining the United States, and there is not a damn thing we can do about it?”
More or less.
Oh no, midnight Dec 31 2014, after they lose the majority in the Senate, they will with a simple majority vote, change the rules to be a 60 vote majority on everything for the R’s.
...and the minute the Republicans take over, they change it back. Rule changes do not bind a future Senate.
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Not quite. The whole miserable bunch have committed treasonous crimes, the likes of which we have not seen in our lifetime. The bastards need to be held accountable, and the punishment needs to be so sever that it will deter others who would consider doing the same. If we do not hold those responsible, we ascend into anarchy. Allowing this massive fraud on Americans to go without resolution is unthinkable. It is rotting out the core principles of this great country and reducing it to a totally lawless, corrupt third world junkyard.
You won’t be accomplishing what you want or say. There’s simply not the political support there.
HOWEVER, what you can accomplish is tweaking the system so that the same thing can’t happen again - and that will take “institutionalizing” changes. That part can be done.
I’ve said the same thing (about this, all along) - from the week after Obama’s election to now. It’s been absolutely consistent (my message on this). And that is “change the system institutionally” so it doesn’t happen again.
They do a
great job of dividing the country between conservative and liberal, when the real battle is the elite v. the masses. We are nothing but pawns to be sacrificed until we stand up for ourselves.
The Eligibility Clause of the U.S. Constitution is used after the President-elect takes the Oath of Office to become the President of the United States. It cannot be used to prevent a President-elect from taking the oath because the President-elect has the option to respectfully decline to take the oath. Before giving the oath, the justice announced he/she is about to give the oath; thus, giving the President-elect an opportunity to decline the take the oath due to an ineligibility.
If an ineligible President assumes the Office of the President of the United States, then the only thing a concerned citizen can do is file a complaint in U.S. District Court and object to seek an exemption from the laws, rules, executive orders and appointments made by the usurper.
Impeachment or his resignation (it's more likely the sun wont come up tomorrow) would be much preferable.
Going back to 2009, U.S. District Courts have consistently ruled that Obama qualifies for office as a natural born citizen.
Rhodes v. MacDonald, U.S. District Court Judge Clay D. Land: “A spurious claim questioning the president’s constitutional legitimacy may be protected by the First Amendment, but a Court’s placement of its imprimatur upon a claim that is so lacking in factual support that it is frivolous would undoubtedly disserve the public interest.”—U.S. District Court for the Middle District of Georgia, September 16, 2009.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/19809978/RHODES-v-MacDONALD-13-ORDER-denying-3-Motion-for-TRO-granting-8-Motion-to-Dismiss-Ordered-by-Judge-Clay-D-Land-on-09162009-CGC-Entered-0
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Barnett v. Obama, U.S. District Court Judge David O. Carter: “There may very well be a legitimate role for the judiciary to interpret whether the natural born citizen requirement has been satisfied in the case of a presidential candidate who has not already won the election and taken office. However, on the day that President Obama took the presidential oath and was sworn in, he became President of the United States. Any removal of him from the presidency must be accomplished through the Constitution’s mechanisms for the removal of a President, either through impeachment or the succession process set forth in the Twenty-Fifth Amendment. Plaintiffs attempt to subvert this grant of power to Congress by convincing the Court that it should disregard the constitutional procedures in place for the removal of a sitting president. The process for removal of a sitting president—removal for any reason—is within the province of Congress, not the courts.”—U.S. District Court for the Central District of California, October 29, 2009
http://ia600204.us.archive.org/1/items/gov.uscourts.cacd.435591/gov.uscourts.cacd.435591.89.0.pdf
Taitz v. Obama (Quo Warranto) “This is one of several such suits filed by Ms. Taitz in her quixotic attempt to prove that President Obama is not a natural born citizen, as is required by the Constitution. This Court is not willing to go tilting at windmills with her.”— Chief U.S. District Court Judge Royce C. Lamberth, U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, April 14, 2010
http://www.scribd.com/doc/30040084/TAITZ-v-OBAMA-QW-23-MEMORANDUM-OPINION-dcd-04502943496-23-0
Tisdale v. Obama, U.S. District Court Judge John A. Gibney, Jr.: “It is well settled that those born within the United States are natural born citizens.”— U.S. District Court of the Eastern District of Virginia, January 23, 2012.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/82011399/Tisdale-v-Obama-EDVA-3-12-cv-00036-Doc-2-ORDER-23-Jan-2012
The missing key component can be corrected with a short and simple Constitutional amendment:
All federal politicians and appointees - you lie, you die.
The states can also add such for state level.
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The headline is completely misleading.
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Eligibility ping...
The title of the WND article on the 7-2 Alabama case is misleading, but Chief Justice Moore did make some very interesting comments...
Our Constitution was written by honorable men representing with honor their particular constituents at the time when ‘honor’ had meaning and standing. They did not look into crystal ball to see the many devious ways people in the future would/could prostitute the framework and conditions laid out in their and our Constitution. Using many previous comments and those made in this blog along with another reading of the requirements for POTUSA it appears to me that to remove Obama from office there are two factors that must be established ad arguably so.
1) He has to be proven to have violated his oath of office and within such done irreparable damage to the USA. I believe there are valid arguments for this as of today but not surmountable over today’s political quagmire.
2) He was and is not eligible by virtue of not having an eligible citizenship birth. I believe this is a feasible factor and is being pursued by quite a number of persons such as myself. It is obvious that this is and will be a tough ‘row to hoe’ because of Obama’s obfuscation of his history, disinclination of congress people to ‘upset the apple cart’, the public smoke screens put out to keep Obama enabled, the large number of people and other societal values of 50% or 30%, who for their own reasons and purposes just want to have Obama as POTUSA.
As for me I will keep taking and placing dots so that #2 results, the sooner the better.
I don’t think so... I am quite optimistic, actually. I think the wind has changed, to a favorable direction. But choppy seas ahead, too.
The title of the WND article on the 7-2 Alabama case is misleading, but Chief Justice Moore did make some very interesting comments...
Thanks to Seizethecarp, and thecodont.
Enforced by who? That is the problem. None of the laws/Constitution matter, unless the PEOPLE have a way to force those laws to be enforced. As long as the people who are in a position to enforce are dependent on the crooked politicians/party people to get there, they will never prosecute the crimes committed by the politicians/party shuysters.
Somehow there has to be an avenue for we the people to hold the system accountable to the law. And it can’t just be through elections, because those are easily manipulated. We need a REAL way for people to charge officials with crimes.
You and I should be able to have Pelosi arrested, on the basis of the evidence that she perjured herself on Obama’s OCON, for instance. And we should be able to have Antonio Villagairoso arrested too. And Alice Travers Germond. Bob Bauer should be rotting in prison already, as should Robert Gibbs.
The only way these people have stayed out of prison is because the people have been told they can’t do anything about it. Why have we not shown up at our state AG’s offices in such large numbers that they can’t even get the door open, to protest the lily-livered, lawless political crony-ism that lets these crimes go unchecked?
Because we deserve to have tyrants over us. We deserve the loss of the United States of America, and that’s what we’ve got. She is dead. There are people who have wanted to preserve the US but they didn’t have the courage to do what had to be done, because they were demoralized by MOLES, which are a million times worse than simple “trolls”/sock puppets. People we thought were our “friends”. Everywhere. We were all led to believe that the systems were intact when in fact the systems - ALL the systems - were overrun, not only by trolls but even worse, by MOLES.
All the places for people to get their news were overrun. All the places for people to discuss the news were overrun. All the places for people to vote were overrun. All the places where the votes were counted were overrun. All the places where the laws were supposed to be enforced were overrun. All the places where lawsuits were to be heard were overrun. The military was overrun.
All overrun by MOLES. People we thought were our friends but were in reality actors/actresses bought and paid with a price for the purpose of demoralizing us and getting millions of people to believe they could do nothing about the thugs taking over their entire country.
Look around you, right here. This place is not what everybody has thought it is. This place is in the same shape as the country as a whole. The “secretaries of state” here are no different than the SOS’s all over the country. Government “minders” don’t have to wear their labels; they are most effective when they wear camouflage. And when there is no transparency. Where there is no transparency or accountability, corruption is an absolute given.
The most dangerous time of all is when the system is overrun but people believe it is still intact. When the things that are not actionable are allowed to be jawed over to occupy our time and give the illusion that we are among friends but any efforts on actionable things are sabotaged.
We’re being played.
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